The Steelers sound crew doesn't get what the big deal is. As long they get up they're fine, right?
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..I think no matter how many Romanowski's, Ted Johnson's, or Chris Benoit's we see, football, wrestling, hockey, and boxing are just going to look the other way on this unless they are somehow forced to do better. Maybe steroids isn't the only area where the government has to look into forcing leagues to take care of players.
And how do we fix that? I don't know.. maybe all that can be done is more research, spread the information out there, speak on this as a mandatory part of rookie initiation. But ultimately it will probably be up to the athletes to control themselves. Leagues/companies can put in higher fines, suspensions, but I don't see that stopping most. I do find it interesting, though, that when football is concerned brain injuries become a non-joking matter..
"Zombies will still find the brains of former NFL players perfectly edible, so we do have a contingency plan to deal with this - as long as a comet passes through the Earth's atmosphere or something."
Not to poke holes in this study, but I only recignized two of those players (Webster and Strzelczyk), and both of those guys became very self destructive after retiring. Think that might have effected the research at all?
@The White Boom Boom: What they're implying is that it's all related -- i.e. the self-destructive behaviour was a symptom, not a cause, of their brain damage.
@The White Boom Boom: The point is, if the hypothalamus (The deep brain they were referring to) was damaged - it would cause that self destructive behavior.
@Roto_Tudor: See, I don't know how much that holds water with me. I mean, how many other players play for years, getting hit just as hard, and don't go down these paths? Just an opinion.
@The White Boom Boom: That's exactly why the research needs to be hugely expanded. I'm sure the NFL is not a big fan of studies like this continuing to come out, and that's why there isn't a lot of impetus to keep researching it -- bad publicity. The other players may not go down these paths exactly, but I'm sure they're also suffering, in a much less publicized way (or not being in awareness of what's happening to them).
@The White Boom Boom: Surely it's worth looking into, don't you think? Does anyone really need a doctor to convince them that getting hit in the head is not good for you?
@Kid Canada: I don't know if that's a bait, I just meant that I only recognized two of the names. I looked up the other ones mentioned above, and with the exception of Grimsley, they were all suicides (from what I read, Grimsley's shooting was accidental.)
I don't know what your point is. Are you suggesting that they didn't look at enough players with a history of concussion problems that didn't either kill themselves or go on manic rages? I guess that's fair, although the anecdotal evidence even for guys like Merril Hoge, Eric Lindros, Pat Lafontaine, is pretty scary. This is from a 2000 New York Times article:
Pat LaFontaine, the former star of the Islanders who ended his career with the Buffalo Sabres and the Rangers, knows precisely what Lindros is going through. In October 1996, he suffered a concussion with the Sabres when a defenseman knocked him off his feet. He slammed his forehead into the ice and lost consciousness for several seconds.
''I really don't remember anything until sitting in the training room looking up at the TV and it was the last period,'' he recalled in a recent interview. ''My memory recall was blocked out for 45 minutes.''
It was the sixth concussion of his career. The team doctor let LaFontaine back on the ice the following week, but he could barely play. LaFontaine said he could not sleep and suffered migraines. He found he could not keep up with the play on the ice. After he soldiered through six games, he went into a team executive's office and, in his words, ''broke down.''
Neurologists determined he was suffering from the effects of multiple concussions. ''I shouldn't have been doing anything for at least three weeks,'' LaFontaine said. ''Every doctor said just be thankful you didn't get hit during those three weeks.''
It took LaFontaine six months to recover. For weeks he would not leave the house or shower. When the symptoms vanished, he said, it was as if someone plugged in a telephone line again.
I don't want to @The White Boom Boom: I don't want to further belabor this otherwise interesting and worthwhile discussion, however... The presence of similarly situated others who did not suffer the same symptoms is in many ways even more interesting and useful from an epidemiological standpoint. Most likely, there is a genetic or environmental predisposition to accelerated dementia; but for the head impacts, that switch would not get flipped. Identifying these underlying causes (structural or biochemical differences) would go a long way to helping susceptible players avoid this trauma and possibly developing treatments for those already affected.
Multi layer (soft/hard/soft) helmets would make an enormous difference, too.
/graphic joke involving midgets, a race car and a bald eagle's penis.
@Weed Against Speed: What's with the anti-Catholicism you Protestant bastard? :-) Actually, a better analogy would be the "research" that the tobacco industry conducts about the effects of smoking.
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/dick joke
..I think no matter how many Romanowski's, Ted Johnson's, or Chris Benoit's we see, football, wrestling, hockey, and boxing are just going to look the other way on this unless they are somehow forced to do better. Maybe steroids isn't the only area where the government has to look into forcing leagues to take care of players.
And how do we fix that? I don't know.. maybe all that can be done is more research, spread the information out there, speak on this as a mandatory part of rookie initiation. But ultimately it will probably be up to the athletes to control themselves. Leagues/companies can put in higher fines, suspensions, but I don't see that stopping most. I do find it interesting, though, that when football is concerned brain injuries become a non-joking matter..
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and go back to leather helmets. no one uses their head wearing a leather helmet.
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So I've had a concussion since I was 13?
Ladies...
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"I learned it from watching you, Dad!"
Wait. Wrong anti-drug commercial. Carry on.
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-Roger Goodell
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fixed for accuracy
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Also known as "McCarver Syndrome".
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Well, if you've never heard of the other guys, clearly they don't matter.
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I don't know what your point is. Are you suggesting that they didn't look at enough players with a history of concussion problems that didn't either kill themselves or go on manic rages? I guess that's fair, although the anecdotal evidence even for guys like Merril Hoge, Eric Lindros, Pat Lafontaine, is pretty scary. This is from a 2000 New York Times article:
Pat LaFontaine, the former star of the Islanders who ended his career with the Buffalo Sabres and the Rangers, knows precisely what Lindros is going through. In October 1996, he suffered a concussion with the Sabres when a defenseman knocked him off his feet. He slammed his forehead into the ice and lost consciousness for several seconds.
''I really don't remember anything until sitting in the training room looking up at the TV and it was the last period,'' he recalled in a recent interview. ''My memory recall was blocked out for 45 minutes.''
It was the sixth concussion of his career. The team doctor let LaFontaine back on the ice the following week, but he could barely play. LaFontaine said he could not sleep and suffered migraines. He found he could not keep up with the play on the ice. After he soldiered through six games, he went into a team executive's office and, in his words, ''broke down.''
Neurologists determined he was suffering from the effects of multiple concussions. ''I shouldn't have been doing anything for at least three weeks,'' LaFontaine said. ''Every doctor said just be thankful you didn't get hit during those three weeks.''
It took LaFontaine six months to recover. For weeks he would not leave the house or shower. When the symptoms vanished, he said, it was as if someone plugged in a telephone line again.
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Multi layer (soft/hard/soft) helmets would make an enormous difference, too.
/graphic joke involving midgets, a race car and a bald eagle's penis.
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Actually, a better analogy would be the "research" that the tobacco industry conducts about the effects of smoking.
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Also, I'm Irish-Italian - I know all about Catholics.