Tony the Mimbo approves of Willis calling it pretty intense:
"I really don't remember, I was kinda out of it for the first couple of days, I was on a lot of medications, it was kinda like a haze, it's pretty cool."
Dashiell, great points in the post... the only reason Willis fumbled the ball was because he was unconscious in the air. If that cheap shot had been a tackle, Willis keeps the ball, is not in a hospital, and Baltimore still is driving.
That's the other unfortunate part of the play, the cheap shot was rewarded by injuring McGahee AND rewarded in the context of the game as a turnover.
Since we seem to be having legitimate discussions on this, I'll dispute the "hard, unforgiving helmets and shoulders pads" line.
Helmets and definitely shoulder pads are not exactly unforgiving and have had significant improvements even in the past 5 years to limit head and neck injuries. They absorb the impacts far better than previous equipment. Case in point: the earlier hit by Sweed on whatever Raven. Vicious, but both came out fine.
I'd agree you're correct in the point of the culprit being safeties' poor form. If he was trying to tackle instead of hit, he'd have his arms out to wrap up, and more of his body would've absorbed the blow, and would've concentrated it on a larger portion of McGahee's body.
@mikedrawcar: Yes, but the pads are designed to protect the player wearing them, not the player being hit. However, the bigger concern is that, because of the illusion of safety that those improved pads provide, players are more likely to fling themselves around the field (using their heads as weapons) believing they won't get hurt.
But they'll never play without pads and I wouldn't expect them to, so it's a bit of a Catch-22.
the hit was clearly helmet to helmet contact (SUPERVISION!!! confirms this) - will there be a fine?
did Simms at one point that say helmet to helmet contact is allowed if it's down the field?
has any team EVER been dirtier than this year's Steelers? can we get a montage of their dirty/questionable hits from this season? I know it would be long, but worth the effort.
@supermike5alive: I HATE the frigging Steelers, but that was a legal hit. The rule prohibits leading with the crown of your helmet when tackling. Clark led with his shoulder.
@Pornstars-for-Wilbon: if Rodney Harrison had performed the exact same hit he'd be sitting jail right now.
at least Rodney never went helmet-to-helmet. just late.
from the AP: McGahee caught a pass and took two steps before Clark stopped him with a helmet-to-helmet hit. McGahee's neck snapped back and he immediately dropped to the ground.
saying that wasn't helmet-to-helmet is like saying "don't tell me the federal response to Katrina was slow!"
@formerly Chief Wahoo: that photo - and the screenshot above - is taken AFTER Clark's head had already bounced off the helmet. that shot is a moment too late.
supervision showed the first thing to hit was the helmet.
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That's the other unfortunate part of the play, the cheap shot was rewarded by injuring McGahee AND rewarded in the context of the game as a turnover.
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Helmets and definitely shoulder pads are not exactly unforgiving and have had significant improvements even in the past 5 years to limit head and neck injuries. They absorb the impacts far better than previous equipment. Case in point: the earlier hit by Sweed on whatever Raven. Vicious, but both came out fine.
I'd agree you're correct in the point of the culprit being safeties' poor form. If he was trying to tackle instead of hit, he'd have his arms out to wrap up, and more of his body would've absorbed the blow, and would've concentrated it on a larger portion of McGahee's body.
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But they'll never play without pads and I wouldn't expect them to, so it's a bit of a Catch-22.
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From the NFL rulebook, a helmet to helmet hit is illegal when: "A tackler uses his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent."
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but I don't think there is any way you can say that Clark speared McGahee when he lead with his shoulder.
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did Simms at one point that say helmet to helmet contact is allowed if it's down the field?
has any team EVER been dirtier than this year's Steelers? can we get a montage of their dirty/questionable hits from this season? I know it would be long, but worth the effort.
GO CARDS!
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Exhibit A:
[www.flickr.com]
That being said, yes, Go Cards!
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at least Rodney never went helmet-to-helmet. just late.
from the AP: McGahee caught a pass and took two steps before Clark stopped him with a helmet-to-helmet hit. McGahee's neck snapped back and he immediately dropped to the ground.
saying that wasn't helmet-to-helmet is like saying "don't tell me the federal response to Katrina was slow!"
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supervision showed the first thing to hit was the helmet.
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It could have just as easily been called shoulder pad-to-shoulder pad.
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one helmet on the other. helmet-on-helmet, if you will.
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Maybe his litter of illegitimate kids?