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Good vs Evil — Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:08:50 EDT

Youre with me, genus and species

Good vs Evil

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CliffX — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:53:40 EDT

As a lawyer, I'd make a lot of money off something like this. Too bad I'm not a lawyer.

CliffX

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Powder Blue Garth — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:11:47 EDT

Does this mean the Royals didn't draft crappy, but that the Cards cheated? If so, yes! Not to be happy about anything so tragic, but a Royals fan has to do what a Royals fan has to do.

Powder Blue Garth

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JonWilliams — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:57:12 EDT

I really hope that Pujols is innocent but the circumstancial evidence certainly looks bad. Honestly, I hope the names are never revealed. I also hope MLB starts giving randome blood testing so these witch hunts can finally come to an end.

JonWilliams

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Sir Poopsalot — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:05:07 EDT

Perhaps I'm the only one, but I appreciate your return, Glossina, not to mention our fearless leader's graciousness and fairness. Now we can get back to beating each other over the head about Bonds. And something we can all agree on: crushing Italy in the World Cup.

Sir Poopsalot

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Ronald Mexico Sr. — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:59:40 EDT

Hey hey, Never said nothing to no one about anything. Who told you dat? Huh? Was it Walnuts? Fucking Pauly, stinkin rat. I tells him, Pauly I tells him, don't be no stupid rat. Hate to have to kill that rat bastard. T. Soprano no no to obvious Tony S. yeah yeah thats it.

Ronald Mexico Sr.

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Glossina Glossinidae — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:47:58 EDT

by the way, will said it was okay to come back before you all start saying that I should be whacked sopranos style for betraying board etiquette by coming back un-invited.

Glossina Glossinidae

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Glossina Glossinidae — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:43:43 EDT

nicely played. I was hoping someone would make that joke.

Glossina Glossinidae

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Ronald Mexico Sr. — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:29:06 EDT

So Glossina is Tste? Kind of like the HGH of this site, eh? Banned, but not really. Like to hard to detect. anyone? This thing on?

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Glossina Glossinidae — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:59:40 EDT

Just a few things... 1) Glad to see at least there is some mixed opinion about whether or not I should have been banned. Not surprised that many of you "danced on my grave." Probably the same person that said he would like to throw batteries at my head if he ever met me. Nice touch. No banning needed there I guess. 2) Will did seem to admit that he banned me because he was upset about the news and I wasn't helping matters by pointing out the obvious problems associated with Pujols situation. I don't think he did it because I had an opposite view or was being obnoxious. Being associated with steroid dealers is not a good thing if you are trying to be MLB's poster boy and I can understand being upset when its a player you truly look up to. Join the club. 3) I have posted numerous other things on various other topics -- not just steroids and Bonds. So quit saying that. It's just plain ignorant. I have even submitted ideas to Will on things that he did not catch on particular busy sports days, etc. and he thanked me for them. I think the fact that Will said he would prob re-issue me an invite was somewhat of an admission of possible overreaction. He has not yet nor has he responded to an email I wrote. I just didn't feel like waiting around to respond to what people said. 4) I have always stated my points to the extreme to show the hypocrisy associated with the witch hunt/hate fest that consumed many of your opinions about Bonds. This recent news only allowed me to furthur prove my point that one should be careful when throwing stones, you never know when your house will turn to glass. Of course most of what I say is to get a rise out of people but I am not a troll. I am a baseball fan, a Giants fan, a Bonds fan and a sports fan. None of those are easy right now but nonetheless I won't shy away from expressing my opinion -- unless of course I'm banned. But at that point, who really gives a $hit.

Glossina Glossinidae

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Juancho — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:25:24 EDT

Holy shiznit did this thread blow up last night. I think it's more Tsetse being a jackass and twisting a quoted post like he did to Unsilent. You can disagree with people here, even Will, but you don't have to rub it in other people's faces. It's like a toddler throwing a tantrum in a sandbox. Ron Sr. makes an excellent post about Big Papi. The guy has always been huge, but to he couldn't hit jack in MN and suddenly became Ruth in Boston.

Juancho

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Andy Lurie — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:19:32 EDT

Few quickies- A) dburba- I'm a Cubs fan too, but I don't think that the current Cubs fan "regret" over the Pujols allegations is based on midwestern civility. You say that in Boston the town would go insane with glee if it happened to A-Rod. I don't think that is because of a difference in the two cities. It's just because, even though the Cards are our rival, Pujols isn't an arrogant DICK. I'll be honest, though, if the Cubs were actually IN the hunt this season, I'd probably have taken the news with a bit of glee. Instead, the Reds and the Cards entire roster could be found guilty of TREASON and it still wouldn't matter- the Cubs STILL wouldn't be in the race. B) Re: TsteTste. I too have no problem with Will banning him. Debate, contrary opinions, devil's advocates... all those are good things for any site that encourages comments and discussion. But, blatant antoganism does NOT belong. If that is the standard by with which Will decided to ban him, I have no problem. If he did it because Tste was "anti-Pujols", then I would have an ethics issue. The fact is, this site, as snarky and sarcastic as it may be, is also quite the SMART sports site. And, while it's not necessarily a MENSA meeting, the last thing it needs is the arrogant jerk trying to pick fights or throw rocks. C) Here's an interesting thought I had while having a discussion regarding the concept of "Let 'em ALL Juice."- If there is a higher rate of injury, etc.. for juiced players, doesn't that help balance things out a tad, perhaps? This may be tongue in cheek here, but there is SOME credence to the thought behind the humor: The fact that Bonds (supposedly/allegedly) hit 73 home runs in a season when he was juiced deserves MORE respect because he managed to avoid the serious injuries being juiced can cause. (DO I mean this with a straight face? No. But... it is food for thought. They juice, but the risk of injury goes up. Is it a fair trade?)

Andy Lurie

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Monday Morning Punter — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:03:04 EDT

Cowherd actually gave CREDIT to Deadspin?

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Hail to the Victors — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:31:17 EDT

3 things... 1) Everyone's favorite plagiarist/obnoxious radio host, Colin Cowherd, has spent a pretty big part of this morning talking about Deadspin and the report about Pujols' trainer. So, the word is getting around. 2) I guess everyone's already chimed in on this, but 2 cents... TseTseFly didn't do anything wrong. He stated his opinion and, though he did so forcefully and with little regard for Will's or anyone else's feelings, he had every right to do so. Just because we like Albert Pujols doesn't make it right to boot someone who doesn't like him from the site. That strikes me as ridiculous. I mean, come on guys, this isn't a fan site. And obviously, before you all attack me for defending TseTse, I say all this with the utmost respect for Will and the way he runs the site (he should know I'm a fan). 3) Let's not all get trapped in hyperbole here. Baseball's not going to end up on OLN, it's not going to crash and burn, life as we know it won't end if Pujols or any other stars are on HGH or amphetamines. It'll suck, and baseball will take a hit, but it'll bounce back. It always does. Remember the cocaine problem way back when? The strike? Still here, still popular. Baseball ain't hockey.

Hail to the Victors

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Ronald Mexico Sr. — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:12:44 EDT

Cough*Big Papi*Cough Just saying a nobody in Minn. comes back to crush my Yanks? Kind of "juice"y don't ya think? NO NO...sorry. I am not going to go crazy with this. Raffy is the only big star proven to do steroids and Barry Bonds is the biggest star we all think, and think we know, that did steroids. Everyone is kind of just throwing out names and guesses and all because of Jason Grimsley?! I still stand about Pujols and even Sosa (to an extent) because what real proof is there? Unless I am missing something, a bum of a relief pitcher got nailed cheating and decided to go Jose Canseco on everyone. Now this could be a huge issue and real names could be brought up and proven to have juiced, but in all reality I think we will forget about this fairly quickly. It's all circumstantial hearsay. Again, unless I am missing something it's just word of mouth from a guy that was caught. Maybe he is telling the truth, or maybe he was already thinking of the book deal? That said, Albert: CHANGE TRAINERS! I mean damn you might as well stop by Balco for a tour the next time you are in the Bay Area.

Ronald Mexico Sr.

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Johnny Blackshoe — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:06:42 EDT

On TseTseFly... At first I thought the move of deleting him was against what the internet is for. However, after sleeping on it, I think what you did was right. Although he may play the devil's advocate, which I think is good for dialogue, his repeated comments ONLY about Bonds and/or steroids was overly obnoxious and detrimental to the issue at hand. It wasn't good enough for him to make his point once, but flet he had to take over all of the comments. Will, keep up the good work. I need this sh*t so I can get through my day. Deadspin4Life B*tches.

Johnny Blackshoe

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Ramstone — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:00:12 EDT

So Cowherd is running with this now as of 10:50EDT (with attribution. Those guys do interesting stuff...)

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phillas — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:58:23 EDT

Poops, lots of Giants fans feel the way TseTseFly does. I hear them in the stands and on radio shows. I disagree with him. But very few sound off the way (s)he did and has done here. This is Will's (and coworkers') marble game, and so we play by his rules. (ok, now remove nose from browneye) The hgh issue is gonna be a messy ride. Think roller coaster after 4 hot dogs. Crap's gonna hit lots of unsuspecting people.

phillas

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Blackaces — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:54:58 EDT

Big Ricks- I sure hope Cal never had anything to do with this. He strikes me as a stand up guy. But what would prevent such a thing??

Blackaces

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Scott Senay — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:49:56 EDT

I was thinking that about Youkilis last night. His head does seem rather large. See what this shit is doing to me? If I find out Dave Roberts legs were juicing for "The Steal" I'm going to hang myself.

Scott Senay

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Sir Poopsalot — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:20:31 EDT

"I've deleted TseTseFly's account. It's probably just temporary, but honestly: I'm too sensitive for that shit right now." I feel your pain, Will -- I'd feel the same way if this was Joe Mauer -- but it's the wrong call. TseTse may be obnoxious, but he has some valid points, and wasn't being personal. Think of it this way: if you were a Giants fan, you would have had to cancel half the accounts here. All this is said, by the way, with great respect for the way you run this blog. You cheer for your team respectfully and hopefully, but without the whining when they lose and the gloating when the win. For that, see generally Bill Simmons.

Sir Poopsalot

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Monday Morning Punter — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:00:31 EDT

Every cloud has a powder-blue lining...

Monday Morning Punter

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Bump Wills — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:57:18 EDT

Never mind Pujols. I'm fairly certain the former player mentioned in the affadavit is Curtis Leskanic. Talk about shockwaves ...

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Daniel — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:51:05 EDT

I believe Pujols is innocent.

Daniel

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Ronald Mexico Sr. — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:50:04 EDT

You know what, the NHL should go Air Hockey style and set a limit of goals to win. Like the standard 7. The first one to seven wins. Get rid of periods and stoppages and just play through until there are seven goals. How sweet would that be? Inflate the puck and the sticks too, and this also might require a person play goalie and also be out on the ice as a forward etc. I don't know about you, but NHL Air Hockey sounds pretty damn sweet to me.

Ronald Mexico Sr.

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The Intangibles — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:42:53 EDT

Before I went to bed last night JT the Brick was directing everybody to Deadspin.com. It was a moment of synergy and cynicism I won't soon forget!

The Intangibles

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Peter Luger — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:30:50 EDT

Mr. Soul -- Don't give those seats up. You endured through Manny Alexander, and Manny's steroid-scandal, too. You earned those seats. Nobody should be subjected to a full season of Manny Alexander, let alone Manny without any steroids.

Peter Luger

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BigRicks — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:25:22 EDT

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!!! and for people who are suspecting cal ripken jr of juicing...no. way. in. hell. Look at the numbers, in baseball's juice era, time on the DL skyrocketed! the ballplayer's bodies couldn't handle all the muscle they were putting on it so things ripped more, strained more, etc. Ripken, on the other hand, was an iron man, played through injuries, spent no time on the DL. Is he guilty of greenies? I'd imagine yes, but steroids? I just don't see it.

BigRicks

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sinister midget — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:21:30 EDT

nice work by deadspin on the national exposure. don't go changin' will! ga hill - disagree with you on keith olbermann. he's alright.

sinister midget

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Unsilent Majority — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:17:45 EDT

i think you may be the first person in the history of the world to suspect kevin youkilis of juicing.

Unsilent Majority

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Mr. Soul — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:07:09 EDT

With 164 posts this is starting to get into Leather/Cooper-gate territory. After deep reflection I can honestly say that if these allegations are true it is not going to change my outlook on baseball. I am not going to give up my seats to the Red Sox game because one or more players may have been taking something in the past and/or present. (Youkilis? What about Alex Gonzales? He had one big year for the Marlins.) What I am not going to do is go out and buy a t-shirt with a player name or a replica jersey. I am using the same reasoning that I wouldn't be wearing a Duke men's lacrosse shirt, if I owned one; I don't want to be seen as supporting the player, or in the case of Duke, the team. Marty Barrett was my favorite player growing up and I have thought of getting a Sox jersey with his number but now, as much as I would like to believe he was clean, I am going to have to take the approach that everyone is suspect.

Mr. Soul

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Ronald Mexico Sr. — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:47:16 EDT

I guess this is old news, but I am just getting to the site. The thing that is most impressive about this is that Deadspin is slowly creating a name for itself. With information, or SPECULATION, like this it would be hard for main stream sport-media to ignore it. I applaud the work done to uncover some truths behind the affidavit. I mean this is really impressive. Having wrote that, as for as Pujols I am not so sure what to is so shocking. His trainer has been implicated by Jason Grimsley? I know this could be huge, and deadspin "breaking" this is truly, well, awesome, but I just think everyone needs to look at the whole issue here. I mean this is Jason Grimsley, you know? Like he may have thrown some people under the bus, but how credible. I kind of get the impression that this is another horrible piece of baseball news that probably will kind of wash away. I mean "Game of Shadows" was huge, and it totally summed up Barry Bonds. Yet, it's basically forgotten about now. I just hope that Pujols is clean, but most importantly I hope we finally start getting to the bottom of steroids in baseball. Either way, congrats to Deadspin.

Ronald Mexico Sr.

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supperclub — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:29:37 EDT

Side effect of growth hormones: "Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too." --ESPN i.e., bowling ball heads

supperclub

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Lance Uppercut — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:05:50 EDT

I may be naive or a sucker or maybe even a rube if you will, but I don't care about amphetamines or even human growth hormone. I mean it has a nice sounding name right? Human(good) Growth(who doesn't like to grow?) Hormones(cool, sex) SO why all the nut-punching over this? These guys have, on average, an IQ of 7, all they know is how to play ball. And bless them for it, I love baseball, it is fun and exciting. I am not going to drop $75 on a lower loge seat at Yankee Stadium to watch Giambi ground into double plays, I am there to watch him crush it into the right field bleachers and then go into the dugout to practice for his next High Endurance commercial.

Lance Uppercut

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Gasface — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:46:16 EDT

I realize that these two words have been mentioned together in a comment before, but this post really does represent the first honest to goodness Deadspin bukkake party.

Gasface

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Big Daddy Drew — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:24:33 EDT

Dan Patrick said two of the names were "shocking". Do the names of Sammy Sosa and a personal trainer qualify under that moniker? Will didn't report that Pujols is himself named in the document. I think there are more names forthcoming. A certain unretiring douchebag with frosty tips comes to mind.

Big Daddy Drew

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SlickBomb — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:11:52 EDT

Everyone-- you are right. Tal4Prez was worse than TseTse and was Deadspin's 1st troll. I stand unanimously corrected. Even thinking about it this morning I still can't believe the Pujols story... it's not that it might not be true... but dang...

SlickBomb

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ormistoncoyote — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 04:20:21 EDT

"Stay away from me Jason Grimsley!" - Baseball

ormistoncoyote

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dburba — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:44:09 EDT

As a Cubs fan in New England, this whole episode and the comments it created show the difference between the Midwest and the East. Had A-Rod been outed, there would have been feasting and song up here. Instead, even Cubs fans are bummed about this news. Just a little subtle Midwestern holier-than-thouness for you. End transmission.

dburba

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Proverbial — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:41:33 EDT

Personally, I think Pujols faked his injury and is really sitting out a suspension.

Proverbial

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The Bouj — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:33:50 EDT

Wow. Just wow. I'm not saying Pujols is guilty or not, but if you associate with bad people, you deserve all the crap that comes with it. If you're buddy is a Juice dealer, then you are going to be guilty by association, justified or not. Carmelo Anthony associates with a REAL bad guy in Baltimore and catches some hell for the whole "snitch" video thing. Ray Lewis is in limo with some guys who kill someone in the ATL, and he's on trial for murder & conspiracy. Pick your friends better. Maybe Pujols really didn't know and he is clean. Maybe he's as guilty as can be. I don't know.

The Bouj

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Scott Senay — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:33:11 EDT

No one will give a shoot if your favorite player is taking greenies. I couldn't imagine playing 162 game without some kind of boost. Hell, who among us hasn't liked the feeling of a good cold or algery medicine. I really don't know how I feel about this steroids/HGH business. On the one hand, I hate the players for tainting the game that I love and calling into question the purity of the game, on the other hand, can you really blame the players for taking advantage of a league that was more than willing to look the other way if it made business better. Owners and GM's knew what was going on. The press knew what was going on, yet they choose to ignore it. And we are not talking about the past 5 years. They knew Player A was cheating, but hell, he was hitting .320/50/124. You think we are going to rock the boat? You have two choices here, abandon the game you love on the principle that the game is tainted and you can't respect any violation of the rules, or hope that the game is self correcting and those that cheated will be judged by history. And if any Pirates are guilty in all of this, well, they even suck at cheating.

Scott Senay

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GA Hill — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:09:47 EDT

Wow. When Patrick said one of the names is "shocking," he wasn't messing around. I, too, am a Cub fan, and even I was rooting for the guy. I do think it is interesting, however--going along with some of the minor league scouting reports--one of my best friends' parents used to be a host family for players in a summer league in Kansas. Pujols showed up to his house with some other players (on their way out for the night), and my buddy remarked that he was not really the guy he is now physically. Will, BIG ups to you for posting this. I know how much it must suck to have to break this, but you should be proud for Deadspin that you did. As far as Olbermann goes--I think that was a pretty pussy way to go about it. He knew all the names, but instead of putting his neck on the line, he sites Deadspin and shows a screen shot. It is amazing to me how that guy has gone from a guy that I thought was the coolest guy on the planet to a complete, spineless d-bag that uses other people to advance himself and his show. Grab a spine, Keith. Will, on the other hand, you have gained the respect of quite literally thousands and thousands of people. Well played.

GA Hill

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billhelm — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:06:55 EDT

This whole thing is just completely fascinating to me for some reason.

billhelm

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Captain Caveman — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:55:50 EDT

Thanks, Yost. I appreciate your follow-through. I think if there's a lesson here, it's that despite hard times surrounding the loss of Goose/Pujols (Gooseholes?), Maverick/Will will eventually get his groove back, vanquish the faceless, opaque-masked enemy of unnamed country/HGH-TstseFly, win back Kelly McGillis/Shari (Shari to bartender as she joins Will at the airport: "I'll have what he's having... hemlock, is it?"), and return to Top Gun/the blogosphere as an instructor/better than ever. Sadly, Will can't grasp this right now, because he's hunched over the sink in some whitey-tighties, but you never know who's gonna step in for Goose. Sometimes you get someone like Merlin, and you're all, "Shit! We've been wasting Tim Robbins this entire movie!" As long as Sundowner isn't playing first base, the Cards should be okay... To Will, I can only say, "YOU GOTTA LET HIM GO, SIR! YOU GOTTA LET HIM GO!" Okay, maybe I had a little bit to drink. Why do you ask?

Captain Caveman

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GoinYostal — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:07:39 EDT

I know it's way the hell up there, but CC, you really should have gone with the Top Gun reference. As long as he doesn't throw Pujols' eyeballs off the back of the carrier deck, we're fine.

GoinYostal

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WiserTime — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:44:47 EDT

Damn straight Powder: these guys are entertainers and they are doing it to their own bodies. Where is the expose on truck drivers and all the wholesomeness on display at your local rest stop? Does anybody care that their X-Box was delivered from some Seabass clone on meth who clipped a 14 year old runaway girl for $40 in Winnemucca? What is illegal about crossing the border to TJ for purchasing and ingesting this junk?

WiserTime

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Oddibe McDowell — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:28:23 EDT

i consider myself to be morally sound, but i can't get too worked up over HGH. yes, it probably gives you a competitive edge, may be bad for your body long-term, sets a bad example for kids etc., but if MLB drug use is as widespread as it is now appearing to be, then we need to refocus our approach to the problem because the current one isn't working. in this case i think we need to ask ourselves why the line between acceptable and unacceptable performance enhancers is where it is. and don't say steroids are morally wrong because they are illegal; there are numerous illegal activities that many of us don't find to be immoral. it's the lack of perspective that gets me. i hate to say it, but the worst part about all this for me is seeing my favorite sport get dragged repeatedly through the mud whilst the NFL, a league that we all just *know* is at least as drug-dependent as MLB, continues to enjoy its status as the new national pastime.

Oddibe McDowell

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major disaster — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:10:56 EDT

Wait, the fans were "targeting their virility" at Bonds? What, were they taunting him with their penises?

major disaster

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PostmanE — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:07:02 EDT

This will continue to be a discussion, I'm sure, but I wanted to get a quick line in here about Pujols general demeanor. If this stuff is true (and even as a Cubs fan, I'm still holding out hope that it's not) doesn't it kind of seem like Pujols' behavior - low key and amicable with the media, non-accusatory of Bonds and others, as mentioned above, starting foundations - just kind of seems calculated? It just feels like the guy, from the beginning of his career, has known exactly how to act to keep everyone saying, "Wow, he's really good, and he's such a good guy! No way he's juicing..." And this is pure hindsight; I wrote a post on here earlier this week about Pujols not being a roids/greenies/HGH guy. Surprise though it may be, it kind of feels like some telling signs were there before now.

PostmanE

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Smoking Pope — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:45:11 EDT

Ok, ok, look I said I find TseTseFly as annoying as anyone. I'm just a little concerned that my upcoming expose that Scott Rolen has been hanging around in the library was gonna get me banned too.

Smoking Pope

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Good vs Evil — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:39:27 EDT

if William Zabka had been on HGH, John Kreese never would have shattered a car window with his fist. And I'm with the "who cares" crowd...if everybody's on it, the best players are still gonna be the best players. Big dogs take big shits.

Good vs Evil

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Lou Patterbrock — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:39:01 EDT

This is exactly why the "Bonds Apologists" found it hypocritical for stadiums full of people to be targeting their virility at Bonds singularly. We knew from the SI Caminiti interview back in 2002 that as many as 50% of major leaguers were juicing. The Canseco book and Game of Shadows had already been scooped on this account. So from the "Bonds Apologists": If you hate steroids so much that you need to carry around a bedsheet painted with an asterisk, why are you even coming to MLB games?

Lou Patterbrock

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Henry Porter — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:37:48 EDT

Damn it, Johnny. We were doing so well. The sad thing is that you can't appreciate greatness anymore in sports. How can an athlete be so much better than all his juiced competitors? He can't unless he is using something. For all those who are not outraged by this, would you consider yourself a moral person? I'm not saying you aren't but this really bothers me because of the lack of morals on the part of the players of each sport.

Henry Porter

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Johnny Blackshoe — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:16:51 EDT

In 140 comments I haven't seen it, so... You're with me, HGH.

Johnny Blackshoe

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powder — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:06:02 EDT

I'm pretty sentimental about this stuff, but I keep coming back to three things: 1. For at least a little while longer, part of the blame for this has to fall at MLB's feet for being so lax about the drug policy for SO long. If it's going to really get cleaned up, it will take time. 2. Like others have said here, a lot of this is because of the intensity of the focus. Are we really thinking that NFL players don't take HGH?? 3. I work in book publishing, and have caught wind of editors taking pills to stay up for an all-night session of editing that they otherwise wouldn't get done. It's an inexact analogy to athletic activity, of course, but it still produces a result. I don't see anyone threatening to boycott books. (Of course, I don't see many people threatening to READ books, but eulogizing one American pastime a night is enough for me...)

powder

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BigTDog — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:01:09 EDT

I cannot believe y'all are still commenting on this inchoate story! Newly acquired Dallas Cowboy Terrell Owens in a Shaq jersey in Dallas...discuss...

BigTDog

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Spectacular Sam — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:48:01 EDT

Big Daddy- Kurkjian does take the Greenies though. Kruk hooks him up. You wouldn't think he could hide them in that suit that's painted on.

Spectacular Sam

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Jeff Martin — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:46:36 EDT

I kind of skimmed through the last 70 comments...did I miss any good Carl Monday jokes? FREE POO HOLES

Jeff Martin

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Jacques Bauer — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:44:11 EDT

One last thing... Props to Deadspin and to Will--the mention on Olbermann tonight makes this site a legitimate source that breaks news--for better or worse, that's a good thing Sorry about Pujols, Will (if its true)...

Jacques Bauer

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Big Daddy Drew — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:41:56 EDT

I still think the Berman story was this site's best scoop. By the way, if someone has a hookup for growth hormone, they should really tell Tim Kurkjian. Poor guy.

Big Daddy Drew

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BowdenBowdenBowden — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:32:34 EDT

BullsBlogger - I watch football. But I love baseball. I don't know if I'm just naive or stupid, but for some reason, news of Pujols using steroids (or HGH) would be devastating to me. I know nothing is confirmed, but obviously, there are a lot of players involved in this. Link to Pujols or not, I think we all get the feeling that the proverbial shit is going to hit the fan sometime sooner rather than later. We should expect stuff like this, since players will do anything to get ahead, and always have, and a lot of them have been taught since high school that they should do anything get ahead, but I dunno. You expect it, but you're never prepared for it when your favorite players disappoint you. If Pujols has really been a user, and more names come out, I really can't justify giving the MLB any more of my money. Or emotional investment. I stuck around after the strike because really, labor disputes don't really stick to your heart or head when you're 12. I wasn't too attached to McGwire or Sosa or Bonds. But this? We all put a lot of blind faith in the players to make a ton of money, play hard, and still play fair. This is despite the fact that we know baseball has never really been clean. So why is it that I expected Pujols to be better (on the field and off) than everyone else? Is it my fault for investing so much time, money and emotion into some pithy kid's game? Maybe I'm taking this too seriously. After all, this is what they serve alcohol at games for, right?

BowdenBowdenBowden

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Charles Shackleford — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:29:28 EDT

btw that was meant to read "sorry to all cards fan."

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Rollie Fingers — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:24:35 EDT

I feel I must weight in given the scrum here. WHO cares if a player is on steroids? MOCK outrage! Hypocrisy! Let them juice. Mediocre players do it too, and no one cares. Btw, how's barabro?

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Badclown — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:23:31 EDT

What's lost in this is that Sammy Sosa corked his bat, took steroids, forgot how to speak the English in front of a Congressional Committee and now is possibly involved in this HGH crap? If he gets in the Hall before the Big Hurt, I'll cry.

Badclown

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Jacques Bauer — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:19:23 EDT

As much as I want to wax medieval on these alleged cheaters, I also realize that if I could find a way to cut corners and make more money at what I do, I would definitely consider it...

Jacques Bauer

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Charles Shackleford — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:19:12 EDT

whoa, go to work for a day and what the hell happened?? this comment isn't really contributing anything, but this is crazy enough i felt the need to add a comment to it. so to all cards fans, IF it is true, emphasizing if.

Charles Shackleford

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Iron Chef Xenu — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:09:59 EDT

As annoying as TseTse could get, he still wasn't even in the ballpark of Tal4Prezz. Tal4Prezz was like TseTse on HGH (sorry, couldn't resist).

Iron Chef Xenu

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Unsilent Majority — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:08:01 EDT

thanks for taking the high road mr. swag

Unsilent Majority

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drt0ys — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:02:02 EDT

Rob Dibble the voice of reason? Cats and Dogs living together...

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Jubilation T. Cornpone — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:46:26 EDT

MSNBC used the Deadspin report plus screenshot of the site. Keith O. also outed Barry Bonds as one of the others, through a SF paper's research, I believe. Then he phone interviewed Rob Dibble who claimed he wished he could have stopped the whole thing way back when he was a player rep, except Scott Sanderson yelled at him.

Jubilation T. Cornpone

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swag — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:45:50 EDT

Now, my apologies if the answer to this question is buried somewhere within this Pujolsian chain of comments, but... the above shitstorm is in response to the trainer being a referral to a meth source? Seriously? None of you know someone, who knows someone, who deals (or has dealt) drugs at some point in their lives? It's shocking that an associate of a physical trainer has connections? In what reality? Again, if the correlation has been revealed somewhere, I'll take the heat. Or, more likely, won't care. As for Tsetse...I don't think that his(?) trolling/flaming is any more detrimental to the quality of this site than the vulgarity of *redacted*,the inanity of *redacted* or the reporting-on-reporting-on-reporting... (X mentioned Y story on his Z show, so give me a prize, Will) of *redacted.* I aologize for the extended and poorly contructed comment, resume obsessing.

swag

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Lt. Exley — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:42:58 EDT

Wow. It's as bad or worse than even the cynics among us thought and Deadspin breaks an important piece of the story. And that's the way it is, June 8, 2006. It seems like just yesterday we were making fun of Barbaro well-wishers and experiencing the genius of Carl Tell Me Why I Don't Like Monday(s).

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Rachel — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:41:44 EDT

I was hoping that Grimsley's "diary" would be from MLBlogs aka the most useless invention by MLBAM, alas no. :-\

Rachel

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Spectacular Sam — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:41:07 EDT

UM, is that the equivalent of holding up a sign at the ballgame? If so, the camera just panned to you.

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Blackaces — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:27:28 EDT

williamzabka- You, good sir, are a genius. Also, I've got to admit, I've wondered recently about Pujols. (Will, please don't ban me, I'm not talking smack). I'm just saying, that after the whole McGwire affair, any player that looks like a superhero, well, I'm going to have questions about. Combine Pujols torrid start with the fact that the guy looks like a muscleman leads me to wonder about him, as much as I hate to say it. And I really do hate to do that. This whole thing also brings me to Cal Ripken. Granted, Cal was never the muscleman that Albert or Mark were. And this is just my speculation. Growing up in Maryland and Virginia, that guy was my idol. But now I honestly wonder about him too. Playing so many games in a row? I wonder. *Shudder* No Cal, not you too. But the way things are these days, I have my suspicions.

Blackaces

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Rick Paulas — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:09:51 EDT

Does anyone else think of the football-sized goiter of Gandhi's lover when they hear the phrase Human Growth Hormone?

Rick Paulas

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powder — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:58:41 EDT

I just wanted to add a comment because I think this is a record for them, and I wanted to be part of history. To paraphrase: "Think of it as a game. See how many envelopes you can lick in an hour, and then try to beat that mark." No, but really -- this all seems premature. Does it equal more suspicion of Pujols than yesterday? Of course. But telling Will to walk away from ledges? That seems a bit much. Plus, Will always lands safely on his feet, like a cat, so he'd have to choose a different method.

powder

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Unsilent Majority — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:39:06 EDT

HI KEITH!!! (i have a feeling he's reading this)

Unsilent Majority

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dan — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:36:54 EDT

Jeebus, it's a straight "Deadspin says" report. That's some major cred, for a show like Countdown to essentially say "This site is reliable enough that we're taking it as source." A lot more respect than some places give to the web.

dan

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Scott Chill — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:35:25 EDT

Allow me to also grab another handful of dirt to toss onto Tsetsefly's grave. He is the main reason my checking of the comments on most stories has declined around 70%. Well played Will.

Scott Chill

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catsfan37 — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:34:28 EDT

Olbermann just referenced Deadspin as noted earlier here. Just wierd to hear him actually say it on air.

catsfan37

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Bort — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:32:23 EDT

If Poo Holes has been hitting the HGH, I'll be disappointed, but it's nothing I'll really get worked up about, either way. And also? Carl Monday is watching you get your greenies.

Bort

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shamu the whale — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:28:25 EDT

Didn't we establish yesterday that Dan Patrick knew the names? If so, it's not too much of a stretch to think that Olbermann knows them too. And once you know the name of the trainer, his connections to Pujols seem well-established. I'd be pretty surprised if Olbermann went any further than that.

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Unsilent Majority — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:27:28 EDT

slick, you're not giving tal4prez his due credit

Unsilent Majority

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Roy Keane — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:23:36 EDT

Would this be a bad time to remind everyone that Jim Rice's absence in the Hall of Fame is a travesty?

Roy Keane

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dan — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:18:39 EDT

We kind of already knew Olbermann read Deadspin, but man is he quick... it seems he's going to go with the Grimsley-Pujols story tonight... That'd be pretty quick if he were just going by what Will says. I would guess he's got his own source(s) (or, perhaps, the same as Will) saying the same thing. Should be interesting to see what he says...

dan

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DirtyJersey — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:14:37 EDT

Cowbell, if anything new comes to light regarding Pujols between now and Saturday, Pedro's head will probably explode fembot-style, trying to figure out whether to cover the Zbikowski fight or camp out in Albert's jock...

DirtyJersey

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WiserTime — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:13:26 EDT

"Paging Mr. Foster...Mr. George Foster, please return to the podium."

WiserTime

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SlickBomb — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:10:35 EDT

About time on the banning. He's Deadspin's first (and hopefully LAST) troll. How obnoxious. At least when I gloat about the Yankees or Mets hating I'm teasing... it's not my raison d'etre.

SlickBomb

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cowbell204 — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:05:12 EDT

Whats the under/over on days it take Pedro Gomez to get to St Louis?

cowbell204

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Viggy — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:55:48 EDT

I hope Baseball goes away like hockey, relegated to the OLNs of the world. This is a travishamockery

Viggy

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Killa Sam — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:52:38 EDT

If we can take a step back... There is a large percentage of players that have been/are still dirty. I think we all agree on that. Now, let's say Pujols is clean. That means he is having one of the greatest seasons ever without cheating while he's competing against guys who are. If that's the case, then he would have to be the most dominant hitter in history. Keep in mind that on top of the sick OPS and clutch homers, he never strikes out. Is it possible for anyone to be so great that they can put up numbers for the ages against guys that are cheating, who even with their cheating can't stop him or keep up with him? That's asking for a lot of belief.

Killa Sam

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William — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:50:50 EDT

I mean, think about it...one trainer tells Grimsley where he can possibly get amphetamine and that makes Pujols a steroid user? That's nowhere near the uber-speculation that's been done about Bonds. Of course, we are only in day one of this fiasco, so who knows what kind of personal hell us Cardinals fan will be put through. And, by the way, that site for Pujols's foundation is the very reason people will view him differently if he has done something wrong. The guy does great things for his community, something Bonds never seemed to care about. Oh, and if there's a vote going on, I vote 'yea' on banning TsetseFly. That guy's always been an idiot.

William

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spf30 — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:48:27 EDT

There are many, MANY other things athletes can take besides steroids or HGH to improve performance. Newspapers and talk radio dorks use the word "steroids" when they really mean "illegal performance enhancers." There are so many designer drugs and hormones out there if athletes have the money and the inclination to find them. In track, the guys that run the 100m are on a completely different set of (illegal) meds than the guys who run the 400m. The Olympic track officials come up with new tests and the athletes get new masking agents or new drugs altogether. Same in cycling. Anyone think Lance A is *really* drug free? "Cleaning up sports" will be a loooong process. I wonder if baseball officials wish they had just kep their heads comfortably in the sand.

spf30

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Captain Caveman — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:44:00 EDT

Who cares about fair? Tsetse showed up once every five or ten Deadspin posts, then five to ten times every time "Bonds" or "steroids" got mentioned. What a contentious ass. I invite you all to join me in dancing on his grave, even if he's only buried temporarily. Ha ha, respond to THIS! /softshoe routine /slide across grave on knees, arms spread to audience /shit-eating grin Ha-cha-cha-cha!

Captain Caveman

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Dan Daoust — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:35:40 EDT

Smoking Pope, he was banned more for being a dick than for being a contrarian. Seen in that light, I don't think his constitutional rights were violated. This is a dick-free zone, is all.

Dan Daoust

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JB — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:31:06 EDT

Presumably, Pujols has been tested at least once for anabolic steroids, since baseball does test for that. Anabolic steroids are the one sure-fire way to build muscle mass at the cost of long term health. Honestly, I don't think it's that surprising that a personal trainer knows where to find illegal supplements. It seems like EVERY baseball and football player willing to talk about steroids goes on and on about "how available they are." Preusmably, THEY know where to get them, and I'm sure all the personal trainers to all the athletes (clean and unclean) out there know somebody who knows how to get dirty drugs.

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Will Leitch — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:28:47 EDT

Yeah, it probably wasn't an offense worth banning, and I'll probably just give him a new invite tomorrow. This story, as you can probably guess, has given me a bit of a short fuse on this business. I don't understand how any rational human would ever gloat about anything like this. It's possible I'm biased; in fact, I'm sure I am. But still. No hard feelings.

Will Leitch

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Steve Dave — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:27:24 EDT

What would Whitey Herzog say about this?

Steve Dave

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shamu the whale — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:25:25 EDT

While banning Tsetse might not be fair, that's how justice is served out here in the Wild West.

shamu the whale

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JB — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:22:10 EDT

Will, I love you for banning that guy.

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spine_11 — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:17:46 EDT

sorry about your boy will. take some comfort in knowind that aramis was using the shit as a pirate. that's why he hasn't hit the ball for shit since becoming a cub. the cubs can't get any decent shit-sammy killed his supplier so the truth can never come out!

spine_11

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Andy Lurie — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:14:07 EDT

Bulls Blogger- I'm not saying I PREFER Roidball vs. Baseball, I just prefer it to "Baseball with all the allegations and constant whispering". If this were a perfect world, none of the players would juice, amp up, etc... but it's not. And so, with the juicers always being one step ahead of the testers, it just depresses me that nobody seems to be able to accomplish anything in baseball anymore without the suggestion that it may be 'tainted'. I'd rather remove the substances than the black cloud, but since that seems impossible, I'd rather that they just stop the witchhunt. Look at the NFL. They can talk all they want about players being clean, but, we don't seem to CARE. I'm saying that I wish we didn't care if it happens in baseball. Thanks to a media hungry Congress, though, that's never going to happen.

Andy Lurie

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Smoking Pope — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:13:07 EDT

Hey, Will. Ok, I find TseTseFly as annoying as the rest of us, but I question deleting him. He didn't use profanity, or threaten anyone with violence. He just posted his (admittedly annoying) contrary opinion. If it was Roger Clemens we were talking about, or Manny Ramirez, would you have done the same thing? (Not that I'm questioning your right to do it, you are running the show.)

Smoking Pope

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Spectacular Sam — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:12:51 EDT

Keep the sharp objects out of reach Will. Damn, this is not going to end well for anyone.

Spectacular Sam

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Matt — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:08:58 EDT

If you get lit up on Wonkette, I'd hope it's by a friend "beaming you up". Frankly I haven't bothered to go there much since Ms. Cox left for higher peaks. If she has suddenly come back as editor, well then disregard my earlier statement. Isn't Jessica Coen judging some reality show now? What is the world coming to...

Matt

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twoeightnine — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:03:14 EDT

interesting, tsetsefly.com: The Leading Medical Reference Site on the Net

twoeightnine

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Snooginz — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:54:10 EDT

But really if pitchers have been juicing as much as batters wouldn't it all cancel out making it not as bad? So if 75% of players at some point took roids pujols still was way ahead of the other ones. He still would have been good without them right?

Snooginz

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Mr. Soul — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:53:16 EDT

Wow, I turn my back for an hour and its like someone shot John Lennon. This is exactly why people become addicted to the Internet. Last night before bed I just happened to read the month old Sports Illustrated story on Pujols and his trainer. After the coverage of Bonds and his trainer my gut instinct was to think that Pujols or his guy was dirty too. Of course this was after I went online to check out Jason Grimsley's career and started to speculate about which of his former teammates was dirty. Now I don't know what to think. Is it innocent until proven guilty or suspect everyone?

Mr. Soul

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RectumDamnNearKilledEm — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:52:05 EDT

Have we learned nothing from the Duke affair? She's a witch! Buuuuuurn her! That said, I have more confidence in the truth coming out of that mess than anything related to drugs in baseball. But hey, it's easy not to care too much when you're a Cubs fan.

RectumDamnNearKilledEm

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konstantConsumer — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:51:13 EDT

i'm so glad i don't care about baseball. football is my thing, and i'm certain that there is nothing un-kosher about that sport.

konstantConsumer

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dippity sauce — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:49:43 EDT

Hmmm. My joke about "everyone from Aardsma to Zimmerman" doesn't seem to crazy, does it?

dippity sauce

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whynot — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:49:32 EDT

Pujols on HGH isn't shocking. Now if Wright and Jeter get mentioned then you'll have a story. But I bet Miguel Cabrera is happy to now be the majors co-best non HGH using hitter (along with DW).

whynot

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Unsilent Majority — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:48:16 EDT

don't worry will, he'll blame me.

Unsilent Majority

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jane — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:46:13 EDT

MLB: players taking steroids/HGH DESTROYS the PURITY of our sacred game!!! NFL: you better be on something, or you will never be big enough or strong enough to make the team/compete/win. just an observation.

jane

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Tyler Durden — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:43:35 EDT

I just threw up in my mouth.

Tyler Durden

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CJ — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:43:09 EDT

I always figured Pujols got his junk from some third world baseball breeding island where they don't keep paperwork and email, just a small three cinderblock walled room with flies and vials of cow testosterone... Sure nobody, not even Bonds is guilty yet. But if speculation equals guilt in Bonds case where does that leave us with Albert?

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Will Leitch — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:42:27 EDT

I've deleted TseTseFly's account. It's probably just temporary, but honestly: I'm too sensitive for that shit right now.

Will Leitch

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Unsilent Majority — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:38:13 EDT

i've got a bowl and a glass of wine, i couldn't be more calm...now i gotta go check out wonkette

Unsilent Majority

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soccergo9 — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:24:53 EDT

So how long until this story is picked up by ESPN.

soccergo9

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Wells — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:22:43 EDT

It's kind of misleading to have a photograph of Pujols under a headline reading "We've got some affidavit names" when it's only an indirect connection at this point.

Wells

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artrooney3000 — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:22:13 EDT

Oddibe, I don't think it's so much as "every player is trying to win" as it's "if I can hit an extra 15 dingers/year, that's an extra $5 million/yr when it's time to negotiate my contract"

artrooney3000

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Unsilent Majority — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:19:16 EDT

the circumstances between bonds and pujols are still vastly different. An entire book chronicles bonds' alleged exploits, pujols' name has come up via a single unconfirmed source of that will does not back 100%. it's obviously unfair to make sweeping accusations against any of them until the gmen let us in on the details.

Unsilent Majority

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MDT — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:19:10 EDT

Tsetse's just pissed because people were lighting him up on Wonkette today too.

MDT

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TsetseFly — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:15:47 EDT

i LOVE how tsetse fly is already operating under the assumption that pujols is guilty by association after months of his tirades about some people doing the same to bonds. AND HE CALLS PUJOLS THE HYPOCRITE! ______________________ Oh unsilent majority. the irony is thick isn't it? oh the hypocrisy! oh the horror. oh the humanity. take off the caps lock, go grab a beer and take a deep breath. it's going to be okay.

TsetseFly

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Steve S — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:14:18 EDT

So, is Pujols' oblique really OK, and he's just getting the Jordan/Clemens treatment?

Steve S

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Unsilent Majority — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:13:26 EDT

wow tsetse, you really are writing the same bullshit that you seemed so critical of two months ago. and who are you addressing in these posts? at one point you quoted an earlier post i made yet your comment had nothing to do with anything i'd actually written.

Unsilent Majority

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Tonker — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:08:23 EDT

Really too bad. I don't think any baseball fans want to see Pujols taken down. _________________ Are you sure about that, Dave? If he has indeed been juicing (HGH, not greenies), I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Tonker

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vatican plum — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:08:18 EDT

Tsetse, you are one moronic comment away from stopping me reading these comments ever again. Of course this means nothing to you, but well, it pisses me off. Some of your points are not invalid, but the hypocrisy and blind love/hatred (depending on the player) with which you present them negates almost anything you say. And are intensely irritating to boot.

vatican plum

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Dan Daoust — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:01:28 EDT

Tell me this doesn't sound like a man setting up his own alibi: "Like Barry, people are talking about him and they haven't found anything out about the guy. They're talking about making the guy a bad guy. Prove the point first and then you can write anything about it. But before, leave the guy alone." -Albert Pujols, May 17 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2448919

Dan Daoust

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Bulls Blogger — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:01:07 EDT

Andy, So you're a fan of a different game called roidball, which is fine, but it's not baseball. If you don't care if they take/do whatever, then you don't care about baseball, forget 'the children' BowdenX3, Giving up baseball because of a few more cheaters on HGH? Look at an NFL roster and try and think how many of those beheamoths are on that stuff.

Bulls Blogger

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Planet B — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:00:24 EDT

I like that you picked him in the Royal powder blue. Nice synergy.

Planet B

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Iron Chef Xenu — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:00:17 EDT

Unless Frank was juicing from his freshman year at Auburn, he's always been just huge (I believe he was a tight end on the football team as well?), and was one guy who would make snide, thinly veiled references to himself getting screwed because other guys were getting some sort of advantage. No way he's on the list. And his extra weight these days isn't muscle, it's all fat. A shame about all his injuries, he'd be well over 500 HRs by now without them. One of the best first 7 or 8 seasons by a player ever, a line drive hitter to all fields that was big enough that they just happened to go over the fence, more laserbeams than moonshots. How much would it suck to be taken down by Jason Freaking Grimsley? I mean, if Bonds or Raffy or someone ratted you out, at least they mattered to the game. Who the hell was going to remember Grimsley until this happened?

Iron Chef Xenu

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TsetseFly — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:59:59 EDT

http://www.810whb.com/scripts/archives/getstory.asp?articl...

TsetseFly

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TsetseFly — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:55:14 EDT

I see said the blind man pissing in the wind...it all comes back to me now.

TsetseFly

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TsetseFly — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:54:38 EDT

"He was really kind of a pear-shaped kid, heavy from the waist down, and that scared some scouts off," Meyer remembered. "And, like with a lot of Latin players, there were always the inevitable questions about his age." There were other concerns about his defensive ability and where Pujols would fit on a Major League team. Consequently, a frustrated Albert Pujols -- after spending a year at Kansas City's Maple Woods Community College, where he met strength and conditioning guru Chris Mihlfeld and started the process of building an Adonis-like upper body-- waited 13 rounds before getting the call from the Cardinals.

TsetseFly

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TsetseFly — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:54:08 EDT

"One thing for the conspiracy theorists, though. Allard Baird, one other name revealed in this 'article' was fired on May 31st. A few days later, Pujols goes on the DL with an injury on a play that seemed awfully innocuous. Exactly a week after Baird's firing, this report is public. Not that firing an awful GM a week before the draft is hardly an inexplicable occurrence, either, but like I said, this is for those that like to connect dots that aren't really there."

TsetseFly

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Fleury — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:53:29 EDT

I feel sort of vindicated. While Pujols has always been big, I have claimed in the past that he has added quite a bit of muscle through the years. Please, just do a comparison of what he looked like when he first entered the league to what he looks like now. Sure, it's not Giambi, but it certainly does raise suspicions. There are no more sacred cows, and frankly I don't mind. Having them smacks of media favoritism.

Fleury

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WorldBeFree — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:53:16 EDT

A lot of people are going to wish they just pushed this issue under the table...reallll soon.

WorldBeFree

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TsetseFly — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:52:16 EDT

Don't worry guys, it's not about using steroids or tainting the game of baseball or even being a hypocrite... it's about helping kids. http://www.pujolsfamilyfoundation.org/ "Some things are bigger than the game" --Albert Pujols

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Unsilent Majority — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:49:19 EDT

keep fighting that good fight

Unsilent Majority

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Blackaces — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:48:52 EDT

Zarqawi is dead. Pujols is guilty. And England prevails!

Blackaces

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Unsilent Majority — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:48:25 EDT

Unsilent Majority

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BillyPaultzRulz — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:48:20 EDT

"Consequently, a frustrated Albert Pujols -- after spending a year at Kansas City's Maple Woods Community College, where he met strength and conditioning guru Chris Mihlfeld and started the process of building an Adonis-like upper body-- waited 13 rounds before getting the call from the Cardinals." Taken from the link related to Pujols. Reading the article, you are struck by how many times the author talks about how "sculpted" and "ripped" Pujols is, ultimately glossing him as "Adonis-like." Oh, the halcyon days of 2001 - no way in hell any writer talks about any baseball player using such terms now.

BillyPaultzRulz

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Oddibe McDowell — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:48:01 EDT

killa sam, as bad as this seems, the black sox scandal was way worse because it called into question whether the players were even trying to win. HGH/steroids has more to do with the fact that *everyone* is trying to win, maybe a little too hard. seriously, how bad does this get for MLB? they can't suspend/ban everyone can they? i'm guessing the tests get stricter and that's about all that comes of this. i'm a lifelong sucker--i mean fan, i'll keep watching.

Oddibe McDowell

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williamzabka — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:47:29 EDT

Also, MLB should go with my idea and just start injecting the guys wqithy random shit before each game. Some get steroids, some heroin, some pure grain alcohol. And one unlucky son of a bitch each season gets a syringe full of air.

williamzabka

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williamzabka — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:46:29 EDT

Ha ha Cardinals fans.

williamzabka

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TsetseFly — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:44:41 EDT

Did anyone else hear that thud? Bud Selig just jumped from his NYC office building.

TsetseFly

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don_mynack — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:41:40 EDT

As an Astros fan, I'm not exactly crying over this. However, Cardinal fans, let's take a step back and not panic, since shit like this has turned out to not be true in the past. I truly feel your pain on this, the kind of pain I experienced when I first read this: http://asher.baseballevolution.com/bagwellconspiracy.html<... To summarize - basically all steroids in baseball can be traced to...Jeff Bagwell. Now, some of this has been proven to be wrong since this was published, but my person shit hit the fan the day I read this, you can can be sure. Courage.

don_mynack

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tbmd96 — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:39:58 EDT

Might as well starting printing those playoff tickets in Cincinnati now.

tbmd96

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Johnny Blackshoe — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:37:35 EDT

Frank Thomas was the greatest hitter during the Juice-Age. Look at the numbers he put up while everybody else was on the Juice. He needs to be put in the HOF. Oh, he wasn't on the list, was he?

Johnny Blackshoe

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Luis Sojo Jr. — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:37:10 EDT

Shit man, just...shit.

Luis Sojo Jr.

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Andy Lurie — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:37:06 EDT

Two thoughts- A) I'm a CUB fan, and I think Pujols is innocent. B)I must be in the minority here, but, I don't CARE who juices and who doesn't. I know there are legal implications with suspensions and all, but I just wish the MLB would say "Screw it" and let 'em all juice. The argument is always turned into a "what about the children?!" debate. Let 'em all use steriods, GHB, PCP, LSD... I don't care. Let 'em use aluminum bats, and have the pitcher stand behind the same kind of screen they use in batting practice. If they are all allowed to cheat, then the witch hunt ends. At this stage, no matter who the player is, if they've done ANYTHING in baseball in the past 15-20 years, they seem to have somehow been suggested as being on the juice. Ripken? Maddux? Screw it. Let 'em all cheat so it can go back to being a game instead of a guessing game. The "children" will have to fend for themselves and hope that they have decent parenting. (As they should in other issues that have nothing to do with children, like legalization of alcohol & tobaccao, pornography, etc....)

Andy Lurie

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Roy Keane — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:36:00 EDT

I don't want this to be true, but I need to point out two things: 1) In the recent nickname-for-Pujols thread, I submitted Albert "Masking Agent" Pujols. Sorry 'bout that. 2) When people talk about Bonds, they always seem to bring out the purity and goodness of Pujols. Why? What the hell do we know about him? Why is it assumed he's such a clean, perfect example...just because he's good and seems like a nice guy? Have we learned nothing from the Sammy Sosa allegations?

Roy Keane

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Sfamylou — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:32:47 EDT

This is really a bad, sad day. I hope you're wrong.

Sfamylou

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Dweeze — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:29:33 EDT

You might want to clarify the language a little there. The way it is written it comes across that Mihlfeld (if it is him) did the actual supplying to Grimsley. According to the redacted document, Mihlfeld didn't supply Grimsley with anything other than the name of a source for speed. Grimsley then made the contact, and presumably Grimsley also asked that third, unnamed, individual if he/she could supply him with steroids and HGH. The wording is very precise in the redacted document: the trainer referred Grimsley to an amphetamine source. I'm sure if the trainer had referred him to a steroid or HGH source, the document would say that. So deep breaths, walk away from the ledge, and be patient.

Dweeze