<![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light - Deadspin Comments]]> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/deadspin.com.png <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light - Deadspin Comments]]> http://deadspin.com Thu, 01 May 2008 14:37:28 EDT Thu, 01 May 2008 14:37:28 EDT http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5478628 Is there a difference between a blog and sports column on ESPN or Fox?

Amateur Prose

]]> 11:385513:c5478628 Thu, 01 May 2008 14:37:28 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5478535 One of the great things about blogs is that you allow readers to have a voice, no matter what they say. I don't think newspapers allow this.

Amateur Prose

]]> 11:385513:c5478535 Thu, 01 May 2008 14:33:56 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5476275 i'm posting this for my bf:

The more I think about it, the more upset I get at how sanctimonious Costas/Bissinger were.

The show was aired on HBO, which after all is the home to such "highbrow" fare as "G-String divas" and "Cathouse." Should they

really be calling out blogs for crossing some kind of imaginary line? Their tirade against Deadspin is completely misplaced -

have these guys taken stock of the media landscape as a whole? If Bissinger wants to go back to the romantic days of where journalists

were journalists, and athletes were "real people," he should delve back into the world of high school sports-as he did in Friday Night Lights.

Of course, one look at the sexed up TV version of his book tells you all you need to know-Money/Ratings rule today, and whining about

the shift in the landscape is pointless. Athletes make millions of dollars today, and the corporations that cover them rake in the dough-

but we're supposed to bemoan a website that pokes fun at their excesses? Please spare me.

IamnotStarJones

]]> 11:385513:c5476275 Thu, 01 May 2008 13:13:48 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5470606 @madripper: +1

bamassippi

]]> 11:385513:c5470606 Thu, 01 May 2008 09:28:35 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5469063 Haven't been this confused since hanging out in an AOL Chatroom, pre "Dateline: To Catch a Predator" days Oh wait...scratch that last part.

wherewallaceat

]]> 11:385513:c5469063 Thu, 01 May 2008 03:38:30 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5467831 Bravo Will, Bravo.

(also I thought the entire show was great...loved Whitlock, Sir Charles, John McEnroe)

BeachLover420

]]> 11:385513:c5467831 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:47:38 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5463500 Will, you were terrific last night. Taking the high road, especially while being admonished by someone who's work you respect, can't be easy. But kudos for being a gentleman and the bigger man- you made those of us in this modern wonder of the non-MSM proud.

/penis joke

part time lover, full time hater

]]> 11:385513:c5463500 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:28:38 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5463336 I feel sorry for him. He's ranting and he doesn't even know why.

Frank Pentangeli

]]> 11:385513:c5463336 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:20:26 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5462020 *reads column*

*starts slow clap*

RedRocket

]]> 11:385513:c5462020 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:11:38 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5461185 According to Buzz -

- Richard Jewel was the Olympic bomber (blogs just run with anything)

- Rev. Wright is not news (youtube.com), as neither was Trent Lott's Thurmond birthday love (blogs) or Monica Lewinsky (drudge)

- Unless you have a journalism degree, you have no right to express an opinion on anything (he does, so he can)

- No one wants to see photos of millionaire-franchise players drinking with underage girls (But Bob Dole falling off a stage is front-of-the-NY Times hill-AIR-E-US)

Blogs are no different that newspapers/journalism. Just depends on which you want to hate on.

AppFan

]]> 11:385513:c5461185 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:38:23 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5456375 Any transcripts, anywhere?

Anyone?

Thrillhouse

]]> 11:385513:c5456375 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:53:34 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5456254 @My Government Name is Berto, But My Spiritual Name is BRONZ...: Damn straight.

SA

]]> 11:385513:c5456254 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:49:37 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5456243 Bissinger's argument was about the delivery of the content, not the content itself. He just wants people reading stuff that's on paper or at least that's how it came off. Myself, I'm far more concerned on the quality of content and I couldn't give a shit if it was on paper, a computer screen or tattooed on Rich Garces'...you get the idea.

TheMotherChoad

]]> 11:385513:c5456243 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:49:04 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5454306 @44 in a Row:

I agree on pretty much everything, including the fact that Bissinger is a tremendous writer. That's what makes this so troubling to me. He wrote a book that affected me profoundly when I was 17 and that I still re-read every few years.

Great writing is always going to find an outlet. Friday Night Lights is going to be read in college classes in 50 years because it is brilliant. Deadpsin and the blogosphere will not affect that.

It's the Skip Baylesses of the world who need to run and hide, because bad writing will no longer be allowed to stand unchallenged.

MyronCopacetic

]]> 11:385513:c5454306 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:42:44 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5453960 @Yellow Tail Swine: Looks like Awful Announcing is working on it in pieces. The intro is up now.

ChiSwede

]]> 11:385513:c5453960 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:31:29 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5453403 Thank god Buzz didn't print out a Weintraub article. That shit is indefensible.

Also... giving Blustery Buzz the last word was a cheapshot. It also would have been awesome if you'd busted his chops on precisely reading "Big Daddy Drew's BALLS DEEP". Make him adhere to those "standards" that the real journalists have.

Silky John-STON!

]]> 11:385513:c5453403 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:13:24 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5452706 There are only two real reasons that an established writer should care about the blogosphere:

A) He or she was directly and inexplicably insulted.

B) He or she is just plain jealous.

Unless there is a secret stash of Buzz Bissinger jokes lurking around these parts, I'm going with option B.

Pepper Leach

]]> 11:385513:c5452706 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:44:32 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5452508 I might as well put my 2 cents in too:

This was like the episode of The Wire where Old Face Andre thought Slim was taking him to the airport after he changed his story about Omar and instead led him down a dark alley where Chris and Snoop were waiting to kill him. An ambush.

I thought you handled yourself quite well, Will. It takes a lot to be the bigger man, especially when someone tries to belittle a website that you worked so hard to maintain. The one I felt bad for was Braylon. He looked like a deer in headlights the entire discussion.

That is what makes Deadspin fun. The ability to be yourself without fear of reprocussion(unless you fuck with the Ladies..., or crack about the Cardinals).

My Government Name is Berto, But My Spiritual Name is BRONZE NAZARETH

]]> 11:385513:c5452508 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:38:04 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5452413 @loctastic: How steamed would Buzz's clams be if he finds out that his sacred Barbaro (whose unfortunate death was exploited by Buzz's typewriter for profit) was named Sports Human of the Year here on the Deadspin?

the.munson

]]> 11:385513:c5452413 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:35:10 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5452312 Very eloquent response, Will. I'd really like to spam his ass but you're right. It wouldn't solve anything.

LeagueofShadows

]]> 11:385513:c5452312 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:31:37 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5451457 I think it spoke to how elite sportswriters see themselves. You "kids" really ought to leave this to the grownups until you learn to wait your turn. ;)

Hairyback

]]> 11:385513:c5451457 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:57:56 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5451450 @SportsCentre: +1

DennyCrane

]]> 11:385513:c5451450 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:57:33 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5451241 I absolutely resent this notion that bloggers are nothing more than cheeto-eating losers who live in their parents basements while wearing pajamas, all the while typing away on the internetS.

This is an outrage.

I, for one, don't even wear pants, thank you very much.

blackaces

]]> 11:385513:c5451241 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:48:37 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5451223 And just to clarify, I don't think it's just that they want to be the final authority, or that they consider themselves to be the only people qualified to write about this stuff. I think that guys like Buzz consider themselves to be "serious" writers, with a "literary" fanbase, and the blogosphere -- and in particular, open comments -- threatens that fantasy for writers. It's frightening to post a column and find out that all the people commenting are idiots -- I think it's a special kind of elitism, of not wanting to know that the same people who read your work also made those horrible comments on the Stephen A. Smith blog.

I'm not saying that we're idiots, or that people who comment on blogs are idiots in general, just like people who call in to sports-talk shows aren't idiots by definition, and just like bloggers aren't poor writers by definition. But it is very much the case that the idiots are much louder and much more visible than everyone else. I think Buzz just doesn't want to see them.

44 in a Row

]]> 11:385513:c5451223 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:47:45 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5451103 Why was Martin Lawrence part of the discussion?

SportsCentre

]]> 11:385513:c5451103 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:41:56 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5451061 /tj
Big Daddy Drew responds as only he can:
[kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com]
/end tj

DennyCrane

]]> 11:385513:c5451061 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:40:02 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5451001 Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't Buzz Bissinger a contributing editor for Vanity Fair magazine? And isn't Vanity Fair magazine the same publication that recently ran salacious photos of a 15-year-old girl?

And we're the ones dumbing down America?

The Ronettes Sing Medieval Agrarian History

]]> 11:385513:c5451001 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:37:21 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450981 @Yellow Tail Swine: Mustards like yourself continue to post this rubbish?

RachelRayIsTheDevil

]]> 11:385513:c5450981 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:36:38 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450958 Just for clarification, nobody that is commenting has ever been to college or even graduated high school. Most had the ability to comment last night because they got out of the construction yard a little early. We are all stupid and everything we say personifies exactly what the editor and chief of the most successful sports website in the world thinks.

Commenter = writers, editors, president and god.

asliceofbacon

]]> 11:385513:c5450958 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:35:24 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450948 @Wyshynski: One big difference between the sports reporter and investigative reporters in other realms is that the guy or gal reporting on death and corruption doesn't get to bloviate for five paragraphs on what it all means.

Only sports reporters seem to feel as if they're entitled to philosophize beyond the basic facts. They want to be Page One and the Op/Ed section, too.

Chamomiles Davis

]]> 11:385513:c5450948 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:34:34 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450924 @Grimey: Just think Ketchup and move on.

Yellow Tail Swine

]]> 11:385513:c5450924 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:33:21 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450890 I don't know who W.C. Heinz is

Grimey

]]> 11:385513:c5450890 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:31:38 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450845 @44 in a Row: I think you pretty much nailed that on the head.

Guys like Buzz Bissinger, who view themselves as some sort of literary genius, are not afraid of blogs taking over the world or anything.

I do think they honestly believe that blogs intend to eventually replace print media, when in fact, it is only meant to complement it.

Yellow Tail Swine

]]> 11:385513:c5450845 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:29:01 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450816 @Chamomiles Davis: they can no longer claim to be "the voice of the fan."

The scary part is that many of them never considered themselves to be the voice of the fan. They feel they're on par with an investigative reporter across the newsroom who breaks stories on death and corruption. They super-seriously speak about "the craft" when they're entertainment reporters.

While that doesn't do anything to mandate more Zirin-esque discussions about the social change and cultural influence of sports and the sports media, it's the reality of our surroundings. And I speak as a newspaper sportswriter who cut his teeth for years in the locker rooms that, as a blogger, someone like Buzzy B. doesn't believe I've ever entered.

Wyshynski

]]> 11:385513:c5450816 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:27:19 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450807 Buzz Bissinger swearing and calling blogs "profane" in the same argument

I don't get it

Pittsburgh Sports and Mini Ponies

]]> 11:385513:c5450807 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:26:58 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450796 When I was in J-school, the first thing I was told in the introductory class was that we were the gatekeepers. We were going to be the ones to control the flow of information to the masses. We were going to tell them what to think.

Bad enough to absorb that if you're a talented journalist. Think about if you're an utter fucking hack and get told that you and only you will tell the great unwashed what they think.

What it all comes down to: the actual journalists, the ones who have been doing the actual work of reporting on events in the world, have nothing to fear from blogs. It's the hacks and the power-trippers, the starfuckers and the climbers, the people who don't give a shit what the information actually is, just as long as they're the ones who get to decide if you hear it, the parasites that have been feeding off mass media's endless reserves of cash for ages, that are most threatened by average joes expressing themselves. And the bleaker it gets, the more they'll howl.

King of Pants

]]> 11:385513:c5450796 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:26:34 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450783 I think the biggest thing people such as Bissinger and Kornheiser have a problem with regarding blogs is the issue of accountability.

For years, these guy got to sit on their mountaintops and proclaim their opinions to the masses without any feedback.

Now, though, people have the chance to call them on their bullshit. And they don't like it one bit.

Freedom of Speech is a bitch, ain't it, Mr. Bissinger?

blackaces

]]> 11:385513:c5450783 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:25:55 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450708 I think the paleoliths are terrified that they're being replaced, for pennies on the dollar, by people who are still actually passionate about sports. The self-loathing of most print columnists is palpable, given the frequency of "putting this all in perspective" screeds every time something bad happens in the world.

I stopped watching ESPN years ago. I cancelled SI before that. Deadspin and EDSBS brought me back to the games.

I can't believe you could take that much shit off a man named for a vibrator.

Donk In A Box

]]> 11:385513:c5450708 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:22:24 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450704 @44 in a Row: +1

I'd also say that a MSM journalist railing against the vulgarity on the Web is actually moaning about not having that kind of creative freedome in his own medium. See "Every broadcast network bitching about The Sopranos winning Emmy awards."

Wyshynski

]]> 11:385513:c5450704 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:22:17 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450692 But Bissinger is an Pulitzer winner who sleeps on a bed of money. What I don't get is why so many mid-level columnists and journalists are anti-blog. I know what Joe Morgan has to lose; I don't get what Lowell Cohn has to lose.

Well, if we're accepting my first premise, then the explanation for that is two-fold. One, I think that your regional journalists and mid-level columnists are following the example of the "pros". If that's how Buzz Bissinger feels -- and let's make no mistake, Buzz is a phenomenal writer who's accomplished a hell of a lot -- then there must be truth to it.

The second, and bigger, issue, though, is that even though they're sitting at the kids table right now, they're worried that ten years from now, there won't be a grown-ups table for them to move to. They want, some day, to be the final authority on something, just as Buzz believes he is now, and bloggers and commenters are a threat to that dream in the future, just like Buzz sees them as a threat to his supposed authority right now.

44 in a Row

]]> 11:385513:c5450692 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:21:55 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450666 The fear these columnists have, I think, is that with the democratization of opinions that blogs provide, they can no longer claim to be "the voice of the fan." Now they no longer speak for "us"; they only speak for themselves, to us, and are furthermore susceptible to feedback on a scale and speed never before seen in the journalistic sphere.

Bissinger and his ilk have had their greatest advantage as a published writer unceremoniously revoked by anyone capable of working a keyboard and a mouse. Naturally, they have not taken this realization well.

Chamomiles Davis

]]> 11:385513:c5450666 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:20:28 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450637 @DennyCrane: I actually saw that this morning, too, and I believe that's a case of the mirror staring back at them. Check out any thread that involves The Big Lead or bloggers trying to land credentials. You'll never witness wagons being circled that quickly.

Wyshynski

]]> 11:385513:c5450637 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:19:08 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450635 Video? Anyone?

Yellow Tail Swine

]]> 11:385513:c5450635 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:18:59 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450631 I think it's hard to make any sort of sustainable point when you call yourself fucking "Buzz Bissinger".

Doyle McPoyle

]]> 11:385513:c5450631 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:18:41 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450540 and here's a note for you, Winslow Sr.:

they called your kid - and not roethlisberger - DUMB because your kid broke his leg while popping wheelies in a parking lot. roethlisberger was CUT OFF while driving legally down the street by a woman driver who was found to be at fault.

RACE had nothing to do with it.

and when you try to interject race where it doesn't belong, you not only lessen it's impact in instances where it DOES belong, but you lessen the lesson to be learned - don't pop wheelies in parking lots, it's dumb.

supermike5alive

]]> 11:385513:c5450540 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:13:35 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450539 @44 in a Row: I think that's partly it. Bissinger wants to be the final authority on Tony LaRussa. He wants to place his tome on a shelf in the library and say, "Well, that's all there is to say about that." And the next morning, Will posts LaRussa's mug shot and says, "But, wait, there's more."

But Bissinger is an Pulitzer winner who sleeps on a bed of money. What I don't get is why so many mid-level columnists and journalists are anti-blog. I know what Joe Morgan has to lose; I don't get what Lowell Cohn has to lose.

MyronCopacetic

]]> 11:385513:c5450539 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:13:33 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450521 @44 in a Row: +1 counselor
retainer is in the mail

RachelRayIsTheDevil

]]> 11:385513:c5450521 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:12:27 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450520 @FEAST: When you play the Dinosaur Game, you're supposed to write (for example) "Green Triceratops" under it. You newbies nowadays. Back when I was commenting on Stile Project in 1998 and etc. etc. Now get off my lawn, you youngins! [/buzz]

dmac

]]> 11:385513:c5450520 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:12:16 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450502 @BigTenObsession:

Yes, and at one point Bissinger referred to Will as Jimmy Olson.

Whitey Fisk

]]> 11:385513:c5450502 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:11:23 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450483 Bissinger is angry because people like Will, AJ and BDD don't have to walk into lockerrooms and fellate athletes to get a story. Will's most salient point, that he managed to slip in between dodges of Bissvenom, is that he COULD get access to pressboxes and lockerrooms but he wants to maintain that distance. Naturally, Bissinger mischaracterized that by claiming Will wanted to stay away from "facts," a word Will never used.

Deadspin et. al. are for fans. Do Bissinger--or Strahan and Edwards, for that matter--think that professional sports could possibly exist without fans?

Whitey Fisk

]]> 11:385513:c5450483 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:10:39 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450476 Seriously, last night's show was pretty much the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen. Please don't ever change, Buzz; we need to keep laughing at you.

dmac

]]> 11:385513:c5450476 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:10:22 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450463 @44 in a Row: It's unfortunate that columnists like Buzz obscure the Filip Bondys of the world who don't take themselves seriously and realize how lucky they are to be writing about games.

DennyCrane

]]> 11:385513:c5450463 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:09:19 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450381 Okay, here's the thing. I really don't think it's solely an issue of columnists being threatened by bloggers. I don't think it's just a job issue; they're not mad because they're afraid they're going to be put out of work and replaced by Deadspin and Fire Joe Morgan and Kissing Suzy Kolber. I think it's a concern, but I don't think it's what scares them. What really worries the Buzz Bissingers of the world -- people who clearly hold themselves in high regard and believe themselves to be "writers" and "craftsmen", not mere reporters of the facts -- is finding out that their audience is, by and large, no different from the average moron who calls into talk radio and comments on newspaper blogs. Buzz doesn't want to know that the people reading his work are the same people who say things like "O AN HE SEXY", and when his work exists only in static, printed form, he doesn't need to find out. There's no way to post comments on Newsday or a copy of Friday Night Lights. Blogs, though, not only allow the average person to make his voice heard to the masses, but they allow that same average person to communicate back to the author. And for someone like Buzz, or any other mainstream sports writer who's used to handing down prose from above and having it be unquestioningly received by the readers -- not unlike Moses handing down the Ten Commandments from Mount Sinai -- that's not just a little worrisome. It's downright terrifying.

44 in a Row

]]> 11:385513:c5450381 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:04:10 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450362 I'm sure this is said somewhere above (too many comments make brain and eyes hurt), but it kills me that Buzz bashed the fact that bloggers use profanity / write about stuff that doesn't warrant press / etc yet used such eloquent language as "pisses the shit out of me."

Doesn't seem unpossible that dude might have failed English.

The_Great_Philosopher_Testicles

]]> 11:385513:c5450362 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:03:12 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450336 Buzz actually has his own blog that he writes under a pseudonym. It's called "Can't Stop The Bleeding".

GiselleBeardchen

]]> 11:385513:c5450336 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:02:10 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450322 @DennyCrane: Doesn't look like it's an option yet to even subscribe, so hopefully by friday.

Baudolino

]]> 11:385513:c5450322 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:01:23 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450286 Amusingly, Richard Justice is one of the hacks who makes me think that decades of access and training and whatever mean nothing, because he writes with less insight, ability and intelligence than most bloggers.

Dids

]]> 11:385513:c5450286 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:59:48 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450275 It's been said, but it really was like watching a train crash in slow motion. Everyone around me was just gaping in horror and incomprehension.

Magnolia

]]> 11:385513:c5450275 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:59:24 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450212 What's so stupid about Bissinger's ranting and raving is the fact that columnists who are going to survive are already blogging - they know this war is already over. Although I'm not a huge fan, local scribe Richard Justice writes a column and a blog for the Houston Chronicle, and (gasp) even reads and responds to comments! Amazing! The paper even has some kind of new-fangled invention called a "live blog" of Rockets games, whereby a journalist comments on the game while its occuring. I know. Incredible. Perhaps this here site can try that!

Seriously, kudos to the Chron for totally embracing new media.

don_mynack

]]> 11:385513:c5450212 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:56:25 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450186 As someone just catching up on this now (stupid 2nd Circuit, keeping me here until 11pm), excellent work keeping your cool, good sir. I had some coherent, well-reasoned thoughts on this, but as I've only had two cups of coffee so far, they've vanished into the ether. Hopefully they'll return once I'm better-caffeinated.

44 in a Row

]]> 11:385513:c5450186 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:55:13 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450174 Will,

You're a better man than I. I wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes without telling Buzz what I thought of him while taking full advantage of profanity rules on HBO. You came out as the mature guy, while he came off as a childish fool.

HernandezStache

]]> 11:385513:c5450174 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:54:36 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450155 @Baudolino: I also get the Maher podcast. I think they'll have a podcast of CostasNow, but it usually takes HBO a few days to put it up. Maybe by Friday?

DennyCrane

]]> 11:385513:c5450155 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:53:25 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450144 I found the show highly entertaining. The explanation for why blogs are necessary and why they are so popular was proven throughout the show. Sports fans are tired of the elitist view from some guy who majored in Communications from Penn. You're not qualified anymore than I am to write about sports. Your grammar may be better, but your opinions are weak and tired.

Thanks to Mitch Albom for proving this by bitching about bloggers not being qualified and not having gone to college, etc. He sounded like a sore loser. He went off about blogs and talk radio members calling for the firing of a coach constantly, how a columnist has rules and wouldnt do that. Really Mitch? Have you read any NY based paper in the past 4 years? I'm pretty sure there's been a "Fire Isiah" column everyday in every paper.

Hopefully people will see last night for what it was: a bunch of elitist has-beens bitching and moaning about their escalating irrelevance.

HernandezStache

]]> 11:385513:c5450144 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:52:49 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450118 Here's the thing...

It seems like one of Bissinger tries to make the following points.

1- too much information out there
2- gosh that's making people dumb.

But the just fucking fantastic thing about the internet/blogging/whatever is that instead of being spoonfed information, there's an almost infitie supply, and it forces you to develop critical thinking skills to make use of it.

The internet doesn't make us stupid. It makes us better at looking at what's presented before us and trying to decide if it's bullshit or not.

The old media attitude is just so fucking insulting, and dismissive of the average reader/fan.


Dids

]]> 11:385513:c5450118 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:51:57 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450084 @Baudolino: And...now he's not, but he says he'll have more thoughts on it later.

Baudolino

]]> 11:385513:c5450084 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:49:58 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450081 @The Coach is KILLING Me!:

I think what bothers them is that blogs have made them a cog in the media machine now as opposed to the high priests.

Ten years ago, you watched a baseball game, had Joe Morgan tell you exactly what you saw, and then had Tom Boswell pronounce judgment on it the next morning. And that was the process. Maybe once a month, a "media reporter" in USA Today would "critique" Morgan, but it was always gentle.

Today, Joe Morgan is critiqued while he is broadcasting. And Boswell's column is then fed into the blogosphere where it is either ignored or analyzed. Neither of them have the final word any longer. It's as if the Sports Bible has been translated into the vernacular.

MyronCopacetic

]]> 11:385513:c5450081 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:49:53 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450067 @FredGarvin: Not sure if they put this one out, but living in Canada, podcast is the only way I get Real Time with Bill Maher.

Baudolino

]]> 11:385513:c5450067 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:49:23 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450058 Braylon cracked up when Buzz said "Balls Deep"

hey Costas, you SUCK.

supermike5alive

]]> 11:385513:c5450058 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:49:04 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5450016 Dan Patrick talking about this right now.

Baudolino

]]> 11:385513:c5450016 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:47:07 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449997 @RachelRayIsTheDevil: I was just hoping if buzzhole saw his work in leet his head would explode.

MeanMachine

]]> 11:385513:c5449997 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:45:58 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449984 I couldn't see Buzz's reaction, but was he pissed when Braylon mentioned those newfangled phones that also serve as cameras?

shtickless

]]> 11:385513:c5449984 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:45:14 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449956 I think these "VCR's" are going to absolutely kill the motion picture business as well.

Hopefully someone will have this linked at some point. Does HBO put this show out as a podcast as well, or is that too "new media" for them?

FredGarvin

]]> 11:385513:c5449956 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:44:19 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449945 Will, after further review, and a review of the DVR, you had no shot. Someone said it earlier, Costas let this happen. A moderator moderates, he does not allow invective like that to be spewed. And nice of Bissinger to criticize profanity and bemoan the lack of civility, all the while screaming and yelling and cursing at Will.

I did wish that Strahan would take a shot at Russo though.

crazyjoedavola

]]> 11:385513:c5449945 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:43:52 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449932 @Dread-Pirate-Dave-Roberts: The roundtable for the blog segment was really a gang-up on the blogger hijacking; Costas did very little to moderate it, essentially letting Buzz go off until he ran the risk of having a heart attack right on stage. There was little opportunity for Leitch to form a cogent response, and Costas really didn't give him much of an opportunity to do so.

Steve518

]]> 11:385513:c5449932 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:42:58 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449905 @Camp Tiger Claw: That actually is really fitting since Costas really thinks he is "a pretty man"

Dread-Pirate-Dave-Roberts

]]> 11:385513:c5449905 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:41:15 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449902 @MeanMachine: Got any advil?

RachelRayIsTheDevil

]]> 11:385513:c5449902 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:41:09 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449815 @Dread-Pirate-Dave-Roberts: The ol' Rope a Dope.

Camp Tiger Claw

]]> 11:385513:c5449815 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:34:36 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449808 Randy Cross was going off this topic this morning with Peter King on Sirius NFL radio too. It's nice that they're railing against blogs and sports talk radio guys while on the radio with a guy who primarily writes an internet column. The ironing was delicious.

Arriaga_II

]]> 11:385513:c5449808 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:34:11 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449785 @Yostal: Buzz has a pocketful of kryptonite

pr0FF3ss0r_j3rkwh3at

]]> 11:385513:c5449785 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:32:17 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449711 Here's Buzz being the biggest hyprocrite on earth. The nice thing about a blog is that if you don't like the tone or the content you can simply leave. It is never forced on you. In this interview, John Sciambi makes him look foolish. Buzz loses his cool and makes a "go work at Denny's douchebag"equivalent statement about non-present morning host Sid Rosenberg. He did this on PUBLIC AIRWAVES. The interview gets interesting/funny at just past the five minute mark when Sciambi casually dismisses what Buzz is asserting. Buzz failed to do any research on his topic (pitchers coming up too early) and instead quotes the "respected Tony LaRussa" to support his statements. At this point Buzz abandons reason and takes shots at Rosenberg right out of the blue. His behavior was FAR worse than anything I've seen here at DS. What a HYPOCRITICAL ASSHOLE !

[www.790theticket.com]

RachelRayIsTheDevil

]]> 11:385513:c5449711 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:27:25 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449683 This sounds hysterically idiotic. Any chance anyone has a link to the broadcast yet?

The_Great_Philosopher_Testicles

]]> 11:385513:c5449683 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:25:24 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449680 |4 Ru554 4ppr3c1473d 7h3 1nf0rm4710n 63n3r473d by c0mpu73r5. H3 57ud13d 7h3 r0w5 4nd 7h3 c0|umn5. Bu7 h3 4|50 kn3w 7h3y c0u|d 74k3 y0u 0n|y 50 f4r 1n b453b4||, m4yb3 3v3n c0nfu53 y0u w17h 4 f06 0f 0v3r4n4|y515. 45 f4r 45 h3 kn3w, 7h3r3 w45 n0 w4y 70 qu4n71fy d351r3. 4nd 7h053 numb3r5 70|d h1m 3x4c7|y wh47 h3 n33d3d 70 kn0w wh3n 4dd3d 70 7w3n7y-f0ur y34r5 0f m4n461n6 3xp3r13nc3.

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MeanMachine

]]> 11:385513:c5449680 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:25:14 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449654 @BigTenObsession: Oh no, that Jimmy Olson.

It's just code for Will's love of Spin Doctors.

Yostal

]]> 11:385513:c5449654 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:24:07 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449630 Is anyone else feeling like this was a giant setup by Costas, considering what happened between Will and Costas a few weeks ago?

Dread-Pirate-Dave-Roberts

]]> 11:385513:c5449630 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:22:04 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449620 @Yostal:

I caught the show, I was just wondering if it was that Jimmy Olson that was being referred to, or if there was some other sports-related Jimmy Olson that I was supposed to know.

BigTenObsession

]]> 11:385513:c5449620 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:20:48 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449597 @BigTenObsession: IIRC from what was said in DUAN, Costas said that Will sounded like "Jimmy Olsen on Percocet."

It's not as disturbing as how Joe Buck asked to be introduced.

Yostal

]]> 11:385513:c5449597 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:19:19 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449577 @Wyshynski: Actually, after reading through some posts on SportsJournalists, the posters there are largely in agreement that Buzz went completely off the rails.

It's nice to know that Buzz's peers also think he was a douche last night.

DennyCrane

]]> 11:385513:c5449577 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:18:28 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449538 @UkraineNotWeak: yeah, Bissinger is basically arguing that silent films are more artistic than "talkies"

throwbot

]]> 11:385513:c5449538 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:15:55 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449521 All right, I'll say it - Jimmy Olson? As in the character from Superman? Or am I missing something here?

BigTenObsession

]]> 11:385513:c5449521 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:14:57 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449499 BTW, I've checked HBO's web site, YouTube and HBO On demand in an effort to post a link, without success...

Rickey_Fitts

]]> 11:385513:c5449499 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:13:40 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449483 His most recent article for Vanity Fair, "Gone with the Wind" (August 2007) about the saga of 2006 Kentucky Derby Winner Barbaro, has been optioned by Universal Pictures.

THE HORSE DIES IN THE END!! THE HORSE DIES IN THE END!!

there, now that the ending is ruined, no one will see his movie.

loctastic

]]> 11:385513:c5449483 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:12:40 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449481 @MyronCopacetic: Excellent point...

Rickey_Fitts

]]> 11:385513:c5449481 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:12:32 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449479 @PeteJayhawk: Or in my case, go to a college that's too cheap to provide its students with HBO.

VTBen

]]> 11:385513:c5449479 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:12:23 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449468 Didn't this debate take place previously in the 50s when TV took the place of radio and the newspaper as the source of people's news? And before that in the 20s and 30s when radio exploded?

UkraineNotWeak

]]> 11:385513:c5449468 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:11:37 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449460 @Fawn Liebowitz: Notion seconded. Not all of us carry the feevee cablers.

(I love using Varietyspeak)

PeteJayhawk

]]> 11:385513:c5449460 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:11:04 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449433 @The Sports Hernia:

THAT'S the video I want posted.

Lunatic Fringe

]]> 11:385513:c5449433 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:08:35 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449424 Not sure if this has been mentioned yet (or if its accurate); but from Bissinger's wikipedia:

His most recent article for Vanity Fair, "Gone with the Wind" (August 2007) about the saga of 2006 Kentucky Derby Winner Barbaro, has been optioned by Universal Pictures.

Maybe that's why he was so pissed...Bissinger = Dee Mirich?!?!?!

throwbot

]]> 11:385513:c5449424 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:07:50 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449410 Has anyone posted, or is anyone going to post this anywhere so the basic cablers among us can see it?

Fawn Liebowitz

]]> 11:385513:c5449410 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:06:23 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449390 I know that he has become a self-important ass-hat in recent years, but wouldn't Bill Simmons have been approximately 1000x more valuable to that panel than Braylon Edwards? In some ways, his work is the bridge between the "old medium" and the "new medium."

And someone could have pointed out that you could have had this discussion in 1982 with some local tv sportscaster ranting against ESPN.

"Have you ever heard of Sam Nover, Mr. Berman?!?!?! Have you?!?!?!?!"

MyronCopacetic

]]> 11:385513:c5449390 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:04:47 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449364 Damn, I'm going to have to wait until 6:30 to see it tonight.

I'm sure, though, that the rant says far more about dinosaurs such as Bissinger than it does about bloggers.

blackaces

]]> 11:385513:c5449364 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:02:01 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449356 The thing that disturbed me most about last night's debate was the amount of makeup that Costas was wearing. I know HBO Sports is new to the whole "broadcasting in HD" thing, but you'd think that they would have done a few trial runs in order to get camera-ready.

Will, you deserve huge kudos for not stooping to Buzz's level (what, with the ranting and the profanity and the anger and the GLAYVIN!). Although I knew you'd be fine from the outset, I love that you totally faced Buzz when he tried to put you on blast for not knowing who W.C. Heinz is. It's always sad to see old people clinging to the past as they slide into irrelevance, and Buzz's failure to understand how all of the different mediums in which people consume sports information can co-exist (if not necessarily peacefully) speaks volumes about his comprehension of the way the world works today. After releasing all that anger on stage, I bet you dollars to donuts that he cried himself to sleep last night. And if he didn't, he certainly will once he sees himself on tape (which, certainly, will be on his VHS player).

Mark Graham

]]> 11:385513:c5449356 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:01:21 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449344 What I can't figure out is why people like Costas and Buzz think that there is a movement to have blogs replace all reporting. Just because Deadspin has no access, favor, or discretion, doesn't mean that Will (or anyone else that I can think of) wants the media members with the cameras, microphones, and pens to go away. Somebody has to take questions from Tony LaRussa's balls -- it's not a zero sum game.

The Coach is KILLING Me!

]]> 11:385513:c5449344 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:59:47 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449330 For those of us lazy asses who would like to stop nodding and watch the clip, does someone want to provide a link?

LosOsosdeChicago

]]> 11:385513:c5449330 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:58:37 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449319 @Lunatic Fringe: The pantomime temper tantrum was my favorite part.

The Sports Hernia

]]> 11:385513:c5449319 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:57:18 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449294 We need a Piper's Pit segment with Bissinger and Paul Bearer.

All kidding aside, Bissinger ruined that segment.

His approach was like a drunk Yankee fan after they collapsed against the Red Sox. Frustrated, annoyed, angry, bitter, crazy.

The Sports Hernia

]]> 11:385513:c5449294 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:55:05 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449254 This has probably already been said elsewhere, but the irony of this is staggering.

One of the main themes in Friday Night Lights - which is still, by the way, one of the four or five best non-fiction books I've ever read - is that all these deluded people in this dying town are trapped in a time warp with their views of race, economics, and education. They had utterly failed to evolve in any meaningfuly way and had created a stadium not so much for football but to be a cathedral for a religion of nostalgia.

And here is the author of that book looking more reactionary than any character he could have described.

/makes dick joke

MyronCopacetic

]]> 11:385513:c5449254 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:51:08 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449232 @Lunatic Fringe: I agree that that segment turned out to be exactly what Bissinger, et. al. criticized.

I might have agreed with Bissinger however had he had even a perfunctory knowledge of new media. If he had said anything w/r/t pageview grubbing, I would've LOL'd heartily and said amen.

blackmailismylife

]]> 11:385513:c5449232 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:48:47 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449162 @Will Leitch: Hey, stay strong, Will. You'll be around loooong after Bissinger/Ozymandias and his works are forgotten.

Rock You Like An Iracane

]]> 11:385513:c5449162 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:40:51 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449144 Somewhere Braylon Edwards is typing up a brand new "Dark Side of the Panel Show" post for an athletes-only blog.

Magnakai Haaskivi

]]> 11:385513:c5449144 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:38:16 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449129 Will gave Buzz the clap. It's the only explanation.

Unsilent Majority

]]> 11:385513:c5449129 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:37:10 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449128 @The Ronettes Sing Medieval Agrarian History: And Wilbon said the N word. 3 times!

EddieRebel

]]> 11:385513:c5449128 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:37:01 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449080 this is for Old Man Costas:

the WEBSITE is called a BLOG.

the individual STORIES are called POSTS.

and the little pithy notes at the bottom attributed to a bunch of random people are called COMMENTS.

can't believe they couldn't get a mention of Supermike in there last night, i think Buzz was right on the verge but Old Man Costas cut him off.

supermike5alive

]]> 11:385513:c5449080 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:31:25 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449057 Time for the obvious question from a cable non-subscriber: Has this segment worked its way onto the web somewhere?

Three cheers for everything I've read. Buzz probably smashes looms in his spare time.

Burnination

]]> 11:385513:c5449057 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:29:43 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5449036 also, i think will is more jimmy olson on ritalin. not percocet. so buzz was wrong on two counts.

joe buck claiming to be balls deep was pretty enjoyable.

loctastic

]]> 11:385513:c5449036 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:26:58 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448973 I've been to HBO.com this morning and there is not a way to tell Costas that his "discussion" was nothing more than an attempted hit piece worthy of Fox "News"

Hey Will, I loved the little pantomime
temper tantrum you did as Buzz was losing his shit.


Lunatic Fringe

]]> 11:385513:c5448973 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:18:03 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448953 The heavens have parted! I can access Deadspin at work! I can die a happy girl

Will, we still love you anyway--to hell with da haters!

Fawn Liebowitz

]]> 11:385513:c5448953 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:15:10 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448940 well that was amazing. buzz bissinger has reduced himself to the old man in the neighborhood, telling the kids to get off his lawn. he even had his papers to wave menacingly around!

he was the biggest jackass, but the general tone of the debate was anti-internet and anti-fan to begin with. will's point about it being a meritocracy was exactly right. those with the best writing/access/stories get the most readers. how is that different than anything else?

loctastic

]]> 11:385513:c5448940 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:13:59 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448923 As Will said, what we witnessed last night was basically the personification of the anger, generalizations and bitterness that can be read every single day on SportsJournalists.com. It's that scary.

And it was a good representation of the stacked deck against this new form of journalism: Establishment media host who clearly doesn't care for non-MSM blogs; bitter old ranting foamer; and an athlete who couldn't really care less as long as you don't post photos of him with a bottle of vodka at a house party. Imagine how different that panel would have been had Gilbert Arenas been there as the token athlete...

It was a great performance in the face of adversity, Will. Obama-esque in its tranquillity. And by that I mean you lost the debate but kept your class.

Loved seeing the NHL Closer get a screenshot, by the way.

In conclusion: Fuck shit bitch assmunch cock-knocker balls deep.

Wyshynski

]]> 11:385513:c5448923 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:10:24 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448901 snark vs substance! when journalists attack!

calmasacucumber

]]> 11:385513:c5448901 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:07:23 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448876 that whole thing just pisses the shit out of me.

supermike5alive

]]> 11:385513:c5448876 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:04:13 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448869 Well. I'm glad I kept the kids up for the show! How long has Costas been wanting to say, "Fuckface"? Anyone else believe that, under his breath... before uttering the term, he said, "Hey (fill in the blank with bully's name from Costas' youth)... you're a _______".

Will---no hair product? The EMO's were a little "fly-away."

denogginizer

]]> 11:385513:c5448869 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:02:40 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448846 Had Bissinger been out drinking with Tony LaRussa prior to the show?

Way to keep your wits about you Will...something that Bissinger clearly is no longer capable of doing. It's sad, really, to see a group of people unable to come to grips with the idea that their careers are over.

Dear columnists, I strongly suggest you take a look at what's happened to the American manufacturing sector over the past 3 decades (think steel and autos). Prepare for same...on a greatly reduced timeline.

FiddlingWhileJimRomeBurns is the anti-Christ according to Buzz Bissinger

]]> 11:385513:c5448846 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:59:18 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448845 I think we're ignoring the real crime here: Braylon Edwards never got a chance to voice his opinion on anything.

Magnakai Haaskivi

]]> 11:385513:c5448845 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:58:54 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448779 Old age should burn and rave at close of the day,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light

Seems about apt for the description of Buzz' behavior.

JB*

]]> 11:385513:c5448779 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:47:00 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448706 The Strahan/Mad Dog fight was the best undercard on HBO in a long time.

EddieRebel

]]> 11:385513:c5448706 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:30:31 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448683 Were it me, I would have come in with a stack of Drew Sharp* columns from the past year and asked how his opinions, simply because they're printed in a newspaper, have any more validity or insight than a blogger?

I was watching the Tigers, then the Wings, and I don't have HBO, so I am only going on hearsay and reports back, but to me it sounds like Will was the Krustyburglar, Buzz was Homer Simpson as the fake Krusty, and we were the child yelling out "Stop, stop, he's already dead!"

*--Drew Sharp is my stand in for "local columnist where you perpetually wonder how they remain employed by a major newspaper." Your selection may vary by taste and region.

Yostal

]]> 11:385513:c5448683 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:25:00 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448627 Well, I'm just a stupid blogger then according to Buzz. Why would I prefer a blog over Buzz? Because a blogger talks to me, not down to me.

Thanks to Costa's show I found your blog. Thanks to Costa's show I know which pompous assholes books and articles I'll never read.

lilwillie

]]> 11:385513:c5448627 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:11:11 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448602 This is the first I've ever posted, just finding your site thanks to Costa's show. I'm not a hardcore sports fan but enjoy my racing and football. As for last night, the reason I'd rather read blogs is because they are written by people that look at me as a equal. They are not pompous assholes who look down on me and think I am too stupid to "get it" and won't unless I read the writtings of a "educated" asshole like Buzz.

Way to take the high road and let him hang himself.

lilwillie

]]> 11:385513:c5448602 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:05:53 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448580 I love how they tried to compare you to Woodward and Bernstein. It hasn't dawn on thse guys yet that Bob Woodward isn't Bob Woodward anymore. He sold his soul for access and affluence quite a while ago. His books on the Bush Presidency blatantly give it away.

UkraineNotWeak

]]> 11:385513:c5448580 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:59:59 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448556 It was obvious that Buzz was trying to bait you. Trying to get you to react in an uncivlize and pugilistic way to prove his point that all bloggers are uncouthed, non-thinking neanderthals not worthy of our time and effort. Glad to see that you did not rise to the bait. He ended up looking the total buffoon he was trying to make you look like.

UkraineNotWeak

]]> 11:385513:c5448556 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:52:28 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448239 I have never been on your website or anything like it, just espn.com... But watching that guy, who I've also never heard of, rant about profanity while saying fuck every other word- while also claiming that he had a 16 year old son who I'm sure will want to watch dad on t.v.- well thats some funny shit... sorry about my grammar I'm not an english major. say hello to your newest member.

paulbroadway

]]> 11:385513:c5448239 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:47:02 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448146 The People vs. Will Leitch, with Buzz Bissinger in the role of Tipper Gore

Crookednose

]]> 11:385513:c5448146 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:08:10 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448117 Can we all agree that Joe Buck calling himself "Balls Deep" was a despicable act?

Kidding aside, I'm not even sure what it is we watched tonight. Bob Costas fulling another part of his HBO contract? Was any new ground broken? The sports media discussion is not that different than every other New Media debate out there.

TheStarterWife

]]> 11:385513:c5448117 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:58:48 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448097 As ugly as it was, it was still worth it just to hear Bob Costas say "fuckface".

The Ronettes Sing Medieval Agrarian History

]]> 11:385513:c5448097 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:52:21 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448096 @Turd Ferguson: Well put and agreed. I'm more of a meatwad guy myself. Now I need to get some sleep, as my recently "dumbed down" ass has an argument in front of the court of appeals tomorrow.

On a side note, I flipped over to HBO Latino at one point to see if the translator could keep up with Will. He couldn't.

ClueHeywood

]]> 11:385513:c5448096 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:51:59 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448081 @ClueHeywood: Well put. The only thing that I can add is that, for both sides of the coin, the cream doesn't always rise to the top--a number of "big-name" blogs have not exactly resonated with me, just the same way that I feel a few of the most popular columnists/pundits are crap.

I was going to write a similar long thing about how I'm at a top journalism school right now and there's a lot of this same arguing going on, especially in light of how the traditional ethical/objectivity framework is going to fit in, but a good Aqua Teen Hunger Force was on and I would rather pay attention to Master Shake than keep my train of thought.

Turd Ferguson

]]> 11:385513:c5448081 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:47:15 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448038 I haven't seen it (I'll track it down somewhere tomorrow), but from what I've read on DU!AN and here, Will didn't have a chance. The only way to make a coherent argument with a crazy person in that environment is to have a moderator that will jump in and keep the discourse civil and allow everyone to make salient points. Costas, from the sound of it, had no intention of doing so. Unless Will spent the whole time of Buzz's rant thinking of one massive burn that he'd deliver quietly and slowly (i.e. 1/12th of Leitch speed) when the man ran out of breath, there is no way to come out of an argument like that looking good.

/dick joke
//dick joke comment is used by Buzz to indict entire rest of comment and myself as a person

And_You_Shall_Know_Me_By_The_Trail_of_Cheez-Its

]]> 11:385513:c5448038 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:35:26 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448033 @Turd Ferguson: You're right. We'll still need the occasional game recap, the locker room quote, and the play by play. A blog by someone who saw the game on television can't replace that. But the gig is up for columnists, as that is what they have essentially been doing for years: watching a game, reading some coverage, and providing their opinion. They realize that now anyone can do their job. And a select few are even doing it better.

The occasional flailing columnist reminds me of Tom in "Office Space" when he realizes his job consists of nothing more than having his secretary take the specifications from the customers to the engineers, and he will likely be laid off because he's useless. "I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to!! I have people skills!! I am good at dealing with people!!! Can't you understand that?!?"

ClueHeywood

]]> 11:385513:c5448033 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:33:36 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5448030 Putting Leitch up against the wall for all of blogkind is kind of like holding the manager of [your favorite local diner] responsible for the price of the Rooty Tooty Fresh 'n Frooty Breakfast at IHOPs nationwide.

Typos happen on the internet, and hate speech, and idiocy. But so do trenchant observations about sports (and, for that matter, Mr. Costas' producer and Mr. Bissinger's typist, so does the word "trenchant" - in context no less). And if someone can "make a printout" for Costas and Bissinger too: your age and for that matter your gender and your skin color don't make you the twin arbiters of all that which is beautiful and timeless in sports. All they make you is old and white and male.

I know plenty of the Deadspin community are the last two out of the three. I like your kind. But that's because generally, you're not stupidly closed-minded like some people on cable were tonight. I'm really grateful for the fact that places like this on the internet have made sports relevant and urgent and lively again, the opposite of the way that that the mainstream Ahmad Rashadization of sports has killed it for me.

Also, with your collective wisdom, I came REALLY close to winning my March Madness pool this year. A little less Georgetown and Pac-9 next time.

vidablue42

]]> 11:385513:c5448030 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:31:52 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447998 @Scoops: You there, fill it up with petroleum distillate, and revulcanize my tires, posthaste!

I don't think lumping all blogs into one giant "BLOG" is an intentional device to permit easy criticism. I think some of these people genuinely don't understand the medium. You fear what you don't understand...especially when it's cutting into your readership.

ClueHeywood

]]> 11:385513:c5447998 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:20:52 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447993 I didn't see this whole Bissinger thing (I was working at Kauffman Stadium, filming the slumping Missouri baseball team's excruciatingly boring loss to the sKUm...and yes, the misspelling is intentional--plus, I don't have HBO), so I'm going on pure hearsay here as to what exactly he did.

Here's my $0.02 on this debate: the only people you're seeing getting worked up into a massive lather about blogs are columnists. Not once in all the whole Blogs vs MSM battle (and being on this site, I've seen a shedload of it) have I seen a beat writer, play-by-play commentator, or more neutral journalist weigh in on it, mostly because their jobs won't be affected. Since blogs, by and large, are opinion-based, the hide-bound columnists are going to be very angry about any new way to get sporting opinions out that directly affect them, and they're going into full attack mode because they're so complacent and don't know much better.

Can blogs and the MSM coexist? Yes, but it'll take a lot more cooperation on both sides.

(apologies for the massive length, and clear lack of dick jokes)

Turd Ferguson

]]> 11:385513:c5447993 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:19:45 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447972 i have never seen such a shitty costas show in that shows history. i loved how he tried to "legitimately" cover like 5 topics in the show and covered every single one as half assed as humanly possible.

i kept waiting for the internet discussion to move to the way that blogs for particular teams have done more unifying of fans and advertising for teams in a lot of cases than the team could have ever possibly done themselves.

im a poor sap of a texas rangers fan, believe me, no1 gives a shit, not even in DFW. well the one thing that has happened is that there are a couple of outstanding rangers related blogs, these blogs are crushing the sports pages rangers coverage locally. rangers players were interacting with the hardcore fans. hell, CJ Wilson had a contract to participate in the rangers blogosphere through the texas rangers. the rangers got more advertising and fan unity through 2 blogs than they have ever gotten since 1971 when the shitty team arrived here. hell, they even put 2 out of the 3 bloggers who covered the team on the official MLB.com payroll.

but there have even been incidence of beat writers coming to the blogs and literally stealing stories and making their own news b/c they arent relevant anymore. CJ said something on a site about how the majority of major leaguers never thought about politics and all they talked about was chicks and golf and money stuff (probably could remember better but i dont even care). we have had dallas sports writers check the blog, then go run around the clubhouse with what CJ as an semi anonymous poster on the site said. of course, his teammates were pissed b/c it made them all look like dropout douche bags. the club was pissed b/c it put them in a bad position in public, and CJ was ordered to never post in blogs there again.

the funny thing is that the relationship that those bloggers on the rangers site had with CJ Wilson was on the level of a beat writer. we could ask him anything, he may not answer in public but the level of the dialogue was along the lines of beat writer to the athlete. the real beat writer felt threatened and made sure that his story would insure no ranger ever posted on a blog again. but there was a brief shining moment when what you described as the "press box feeling" was in a blog, and you know what? the MSM made sure that was short lived.

beat writers would never do that if they honestly thought their job wasnt threatened.

at least we're winning...

jayslick

]]> 11:385513:c5447972 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:14:17 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447955 @ClueHeywood: I'd like to send this letter to the Prussian consulate in Siam by aeromail. Am I too late for the 4:30 autogyro?

Frankly, I think the whole lumping thing is intentional. It's much easier to discredit something if you can lump it all together and then find the worst part of the whole. I mean, it's a whole lot harder to sit down and discredit Will as a writer than it is Deadspin as a whole. Imagine if Buzz had come by at the right time to see ol' Doug Llewelyn's use of the image embed feature.

Scoops

]]> 11:385513:c5447955 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:09:55 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447938 Jon Weisman of SI.com and Dodger Thoughts has a good post about tonight's fiasco:

You can find hate speech and irresponsibility around every corner of the universe, and what's telling is that by far the most hate-filled person in the debate tonight was the man who has spent 40 years "perfecting his craft." What an advertisement for convention he was.

[dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com]

Innings Eater

]]> 11:385513:c5447938 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:07:12 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447905 @Moobs: I'm going to give Buzz a piece of my mind once I figure out how to use this teletype machine! Gar!

Perhaps the most frustrating thing about this (and many other) attacks on the monolithic "blog" movement is how misinformed people are. They can't differentiate between blogs, or between posts and comments, or between information and satire. I know that Buzz Bissinger's writing is miles better than the guy who ghostwrote "Juiced," so I don't lump them together. I know better than to parse sentences out of a book and assume it's representative of the entire work; it is the work as a whole that should be judged. Why can't these blog critics--of which I am occasionally one--realize that the same parameters apply?

ClueHeywood

]]> 11:385513:c5447905 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:57:34 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447892 So I finished watching that gasbag Buzz finish his diatribe tonight and immediately joined this site. I had heard about it but never spent more than 20 secs here before. Yet the showing tonight made me visit again and sign up all so I could post more garbage that will ruin the future for mankind.

Hey Buzz, here are a few things for you and your love of stats, facts, and apparent money shots on the ass from bloggers; Jared Allen had 15.5 sacks last season, Minnesota is cold, and you asked for a 32 year old male to come on your ass in front of a live studio audience.

Although, perhaps you can just use your newspaper that you love so much to clean up afterwards...

ComeOnMyAss

]]> 11:385513:c5447892 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:54:22 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447886 Per SI.com :
D'Antoni not coming back.
[sportsillustrated.cnn.com]

Bed Bath and Jihad

]]> 11:385513:c5447886 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:52:57 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447883 @Steve Trachsel, ACE is a proud older brother: His writing acumen is eclipsed only by his ability to sling cow feces at his cousin Dwight.

Innings Eater

]]> 11:385513:c5447883 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:52:27 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447868 @Innings Eater: Did you ever think you would really want to know what Mose Schrute thought about something?

And that you would agree with him? Seriously, I made the same exact points he did in the last thread. scary

Steve Trachsel, ACE

]]> 11:385513:c5447868 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:48:50 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447847 @Swolestice: I, for one, have never taken a print-out of Balls into the bathroom. But that's just me.

It was good to put a face to the kind of ass-backwards, change-fearing, technologically-deficient, politically correct type of person who would fire Christmas Ape over KSK and publicly destroy themselves in front of Costas, Will, and the world. A "spitting and raving lunatic" face, but a face nonetheless.

There is no thought put forth by these people to adapt rather than attack. They come across as they truly are: decrepit, out-of-touch, and soiled by a dying medium that is making them more and more immaterial to the ways in which people all over the world receive their information.

It's no different than an animal forced to lash out when it is cornered and its habitat has been destroyed. That fact does not make tonight's self-implosion any less sad.

Moobs

]]> 11:385513:c5447847 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:44:57 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447810 In all honesty Will, was it weird seeing people again? How long were you out of your Mom's basement? What's important is that you made it back home and you're safe from those crazy interweb hating men.

AkAggie

]]> 11:385513:c5447810 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:38:05 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447801 Michael Schur has weighed in on the show as well.

Innings Eater

]]> 11:385513:c5447801 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:36:28 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447787 At least he managed to plug your site about a dozen times in his rantings, Balls Deep will now be your number 1 column.

TheLou-Do

]]> 11:385513:c5447787 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:33:26 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447786 Wasn't Tirico there? I suppose he'll have something to say(blandly, of course) about it on Wednesday, and Michelle Tafoya will blindly agree with him, because she's a company gal, gosh darn it!

metalmaniac

]]> 11:385513:c5447786 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:33:23 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447773 Buzz's profane invective about blogs' profane invective proved a point, but not his intended point.

ClueHeywood

]]> 11:385513:c5447773 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:30:50 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447762 Excellent work, Will. You took your verbal beating like a man. What's it like to be told that "you're full of shit" on HBO?

The range of thoughts I've had on this confrontation has really changed in the few hours since it aired. First, I was hoping you'd beat Buzz with Costas. After that I was irritated at Costas for letting a "round table discussion" turn into a verbal assault. Then I realized that Buzz, like many members of the MSM, wasn't lashing out to thumb his nose at bloggers. It was the desperate act of a man who sees his era becoming irrelevant. I don't know how difficult it must be for glorified English majors (no offense) who follow sports to realize that they aren't, in fact, any better than the rest of us. It'd be like all those poor tax accountants at H&R Block if we changed to a Flat Tax system.

Oh, and I know a guy named Richard Wacker. Just thought I'd mention that in closing.

White Speed Receiver

]]> 11:385513:c5447762 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:29:36 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447758 @Steve Trachsel, ACE is a proud older brother: Apparently, BDD and Daulerio have morphed into one uber-blogging machine now.

I fear for the children.

Swolestice

]]> 11:385513:c5447758 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:28:47 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-light#c5447741 how fitting is it that Buzz took the stage with an entire "print-out" of a Daulerio post?

The only time I've ever heard of anyone printing a blog post is if they need reading material for a trip to the bathroom. And even then, isn't that what wireless internet is for?

Swolestice

]]> 11:385513:c5447741 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:26:28 EDT <![CDATA[Of Jimmy Olson, Spittle And The Dying Of The Light]]> http://deadspin.com/385513/of-jimmy-olson-spittle-and-the-dying-of-the-ligh