
One thing that was brought up on the Best Damn Sports Show last night prior to Will's segment was a quote made last week from Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis. Weis was speaking at a Gettysburg Notre Dame Alumni event and made this comment in regard to ND's losing record last season:
I could get hoodlums and thugs and win tomorrow. I won't do it that way.
Of course, the quote could be a nothing, harmless quote, made by Weis to an audience full of Central Pennsylvania Notre Dame alumni sitting in a banquet hall, eating lukewarm food out of chafing dishes, in an attempt to fire up a crowd even though his program is, under his tenure, a losing one. But it also could be interpreted as one that was very marginalizing, or that other big time athletic programs are filling their teams with "hoodlums and thugs," which is why it was brought up last night on BDSS last night, PTI , andfew other places around the web.
John Heisler, Senior Associate Athletic Director, said when I called him today he was aware of the quote but said that the university wasn't planning on commenting on the remarks at this time. He went onto say that "[Weis] was just trying to make a a point about student athletics at our institution — that we only recruit quality individuals and we just don't accept anybody here. That's no big secret." Heisler did add that he understands how some people could be offended by the comment, but seemed confident that the university wouldn't have to publicly apologize for the remark.
One of the event's attendees, and a director at the GNDAC, is Rick Staub, HVAC supervisor at Shipley Energy, "Central Pennsylvania's leading total energy supplier," who said that people who think that Coach Weis' comments were insensitive or racist were probably "Notre Dame haters."
"You know, we're like the Yankees to some people, " he said. Staub then asked if he was going to be quoted for the story and I said, yes, I did identify myself as a reporter and you are talking to me.
"I don't want my quotes to be in print whatsoever. None, no way..." (Hey, journalist folk: Don't you just hate it when people do that?) Staub then suggested I speak with the club president, Brendan Cushing-Daniels for a response.
Cushing-Daniels said Weis' quote was "absolutely not" racist or meant to be offensive in any way. He went on to say that he was "white Irish Catholic" and that there back in the old days of New York City, people like him were considered hoodlums and thugs. (Somebody's seen "Gangs of New York"... )
Daniels, who speaks with a slight country twang and a 1987 graduate of Notre Dame and a professor of economics at Gettysburg College, was genuinely annoyed at the question. "I find it remarkable and disturbing that people are saying that comment is in anyway racist." He also said that if "your website" makes any implication that the quote was in anyway racist that Deadspin could expect a libel suit.
"Look at the racial make-up of the football team!" he barked.
That's fine. There are a lot of black people on Notre Dame. But how many black people were in the crowd at your event?
"None, but I think that's more a symptom of the geographic makeup of this part of Pennsylvania. The Notre Dame alums who live in this area are white."
Maybe it wasn't a racist comment, and Weis' was using "hoodlums and thugs" to make a point that Bill "The Butcher" Cutting wasn't going to get into Notre Dame even if he did lead his inner city high school in touchdowns the last two years. And context and setting is key for this quote — why should Weis apologize for a comment he made in an informal setting from the safety of a dais that may have offended some people?
Charlie Weis addresses Notre Dame club in Gettysburg [The Evening Sun]









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How is that statement even remotely racist?
Or, he could recruit talent and win.
Tough call.
@formerly Chief Wahoo: So does that make you Vice-Chief Wahoo? Lieutenant Wahoo? Deputy Wahoo?
(welcome back)
I support any story that has Gangs of New York references. I approve of the Daulerio.
Pot(belly) meet kettle.
OJ Simpson could land a blonde woman and kill her tomorrow.
I'd make a pithy comment about Dana Jacobsen, but I don't want to put down my bottle of Grey Goose.
Paul Hornung would like to have a word with Coach Weis.
What did "Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration" think of the comment?
He went on to say that he was "white Irish Catholic" and that there back in the old days of New York City, people like him were considered hoodlums and thugs.
I still consider Irish people to be hoodlums and thugs.
Still losing: the buffet table.
Gangsters and thugs
Criminals and hoods
Some of my friends sell records, some of my friends sell drugs
Any restaurant that welcome Charlie Weis clearly does not have a buffet or free refills, or they'd be broke before 8pm.
In other news, Charlie Weis is still fat.
I'm going to interject here because I feel strongly about this.
I really think you're full of shit.
Isn't it racist to assume that any comment about hoodlums and thugs is about black people?
Wait, Notre Dame plays tomorrow?
winning by recruiting hoodlums and thugs would be like cheating. it would be like trying to lose weight by having all the fat vaccuumed out of you & then having your enourmous stomach stapled shut instead of just getting off your fucking ass and going to the gym.
some people just don't get it
We're like the Yankees to some people, only we don't win.
Fixed.
A) The statement isn't racist.
B) I'm a Notre Dame hater.
C) Weis shouldn't have to apologize for anything but his awful coaching and recruiting.
If Obama doesn't condemn this quote, I don't think he will make a good president.
Well, Penn State is loaded with Dead Rabbits, and they haven't won too much lately either.
"The Notre Dame alums who live in this area are white."
And the rest of the area. I live in South Central PA and there are no black people anywhere.
@DwayneBoweCoalition: Was that written by WC Heinz? Cos if not, then I have no idea what you're getting at
Dennis Erickson finds that statement despicable. The whole POINT is to win tomorrow.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of Irish alumni who'd look the other way if it meant winning a national championship, Coach. Moral victories don't count in the BCS standings, do they?
@Rob Iracane: You're right; we are.
Enough with the HVAC supervisor. What does the guy with the associates degree in gun repair have to say?
If the sentiment was meant to have racial undertones, I'm sure it was just to appease the latent racism in central PA.
/Grew up an hour north of Gettysburg
@A Pimp Named DaveR: It makes me "don't be a total dick to people on Gawker" Chief Wahoo.
Gracias.
The US Naval Academy would have never beat ND last year without all those hoodlums and thugs they recruit.
@formerly Chief Wahoo:
it's just a good thing that Weis didn't make any comments about Indians/Pakistanis
@Carlton_Whitfield:
We're like the Yankees to some people, only we don't win.
When you're under .500, you can't say that.
@Greek McPapadopoulos: Strike tags don't work? Poppycock!
I actually read that as "One thing that was brought up on the Best Damn Sports Show last night prior to Will's segment was a quote made last week from FORMER Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis." and amazingly it took me 5 minutes to make sure I misread it. It was like the idea of him being shit canned seemed like something that should have happened.
I'd love to see Ty Willingham say "I could win with a bunch of choir boys & trust fund preppies but I won't do it that way." Just to keep up the parallel of him and Weis' exactly the same results at Notre Dame and their polar opposite treatment.
"hoodlum?" When did Weis give this speech, 1954??
@Rob Iracane: Shut up, Guinea.
/not racially transcendent
@Badclown: Their seamen were really pouring through the line!
@BigTenObsession: Some people have no sense of humor about being called a curry-stinking oompaloompa looking bitch, you know? In my family that's considered a compliment.
@pr0FF3ss0r_j3rkwh3at: I should have refreshed, no?
+10 superdelegates to you, Profe.
Mrs. Weis, can you tell us what really happened after the Notre Dame benefit dinner?
"We drove around until 3am looking for another all-you-can-eat fish restaurant.
And after that?"
We went fishing.
The Gipper was a chronic gambler.
This post did not evoke the moment the way WC Heinz would have. So fuck you, Balls.
@MeanMachine: They were hittin' every open hole.
@strong like bull smart like tractor: Weiss did admit to planning on recruiting a few rough tumblers for next season.
@LosOsosdeChicago: +1
@Arriaga_II: 'Tis no man. 'Tis a remorseless eating machine!
@formerly Chief Wahoo: How is that statement remotely racist?
I mean, she is, right?
@Sid Bream Was Out: as well as a serious drinker, and had drugs been around in his time he would have done them too.
Is it racist if I assume that you would assume that I would assume that "hoodlums" refers to black people?
Or is it more racist if I assume the opposite? And also, what is the opposite? Because I have no idea.
It's